Visibility is fantastic in the '10.

 

Everyone's definition of "fastastic visibility" varies. I've driven an 05 and a 10. And my car every day. Visibility is decent, but it's still a sports coupe. I found that lowering my car increased my vision a lot because of the high rear deck and 1/4 panels (and the 4x4 height). All kinds of cars, not to mention bikes, would get lost back there!

 

I found the "drivers area" to be a bit bigger in the camaro, but not enough to make a difference to me. The aftermarket for it is coming along, but since the car hasn't even been out for a year there is not much that is proven. I would wait a year or so before really modding the car.

 

There's some guys on Camaro5 in the 11s...with not much done. 6strings, you have a good plan. If the 2011 isn't what you/we expected, I hope there will be some great deals on 2010s, and the 4.6 had had more than enough aftermarket support to get you into and above the competition's power levels. I personally felt the 2010 with a nice exhaust and lowered a bit would be a PERFECT daily driver. Great balance, more than enough power for a dd.

But I know I would kick myself as soon as I see the 5.0. So I wait, and look at used 04 Cobras in the mean time .

 

For those that visibility is improtant, 2010 Musclecar Faceoff. The performance is not mentioned in this camparason, and it covers many differant view from inside the cars.

 

That's actually not a bad review. It's kind of nice having another point of view other than performance stats. In the end, it all comes down to what car FEELS the best and is the most enjoyable to be in on a day to day basis. All of these cars are very well refined and there is much more to them than just 0-60 times. No matter how many tenths quicker car A is over car B, if it's uncomfortable and annoying to drive, it doesn't matter.

 

"...three reviewers and a video guy say: This is your winner." Said as the 2010 Mustang is on screen. Yay.

/no, I'm not biased, I swear.

 

which did better in crash test results?

 

Mustang Coupe, 5 stars across the board. Convertible has a 4 star in a certain rear hit: http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/...Mustang&page=1

Challenger, 5 stars across the board. No convertible: http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/...resh=1&ID=8183

Camaro, 4 star front, 5 star elsewhere, no convertible: http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/...resh=1&ID=8300

 

From Consumers Report: "The freshened 2010 Ford Mustang may not ride on a platform as new as the Chevrolet Camaro's or Dodge Challenger's, but it is the better car."

 

heheh..how old is Zeta and the LX platform?

 

I would say that while all three are great cars, the stang does everything fairly well. The Camaro goes fast, but is not very accomodating, and the Challenger is just too big to go very fast. The mustang kinda takes all the good points of the other cars and tones them down just a bit to make an overall better package.

 

GM:
The Zeta platform was first thought up in 1999- not finished until 2004. Used in a production car in 2006 under the Holden name in Australia. First used in America in 2007 in the G8? pretty sure... And I believe Australia is "refreshing" it for 2010?

Dodge etc...:
The LX Platform is basically a intermixing of older but still very reliable Mercedes setups. The control arm front suspension comes from the 98-2006 S-class. The 5-link rear suspension, the 5-speed automatic, the rear differential, and the ESP system all derive from the 1996-1999 E-Class. The LX first came out in 2006 with I believe the Chrys. 300.

Ford:
The S197 or D2C... which was sorta based on the DEW98 platform (as seen in the 2002-05 Thunderbird, 2000+ Linc. LS and 2000+ Jag S-type.) It shares the floor pans, some of the transmission tunnel, the front frame rails, and basic fuel tank design- from the DEW98. This Platform first showed up (obviously) in 2005...


So... essentially when these platforms were first seen in America...
Ford: 2005
Dodge: 2006
Chevy: 2007

Make what you will from it...
Personally I wouldn't count the platform's creation as a basis car buying judgment.

 

You didn't sense the sarcasm didja?

And whether or not we see the chassis here...thats NOT the year it was created.
Just because we see a car here first in 07...if the chassis is 5 years old...its 5 years old.

My point being...people who think the 2010 platform is SO new...its not as new as you think.
And while D2C may have its roots in Dew98 and parts from the DEWlite design, the final platform was first used anywhere in 05.

 

I drove an '09 and a '10. The difference is incredible. I can only imagine the '05 is that much more behind.

 

The point is, the platform is the same. Suspension is probably the only difference. An 05 can ride exactly the same as a '10 with some work, and both are pretty much capable of the same exact thing in a modified suspension arena.

 

They've had over 5 years to refine the chassis/suspension etc and tune it....it BETTER be better...

05-06s 07-09s are seperated by some changes,
but GTs overall they are pretty much the same. Some parts are refined over time.

The difference between my 05-10 IS night and day... in many ways.
INterior #1 is HUGE for me. The sound...the layout...
but driveability... the shifter feels better, the stearing is great.
But its not quite a good comparision... I have a strut tower brace and way better rubber (255 BFGs all around) than the stock setup. + I've driven a supercharged 05 with FRPP track pack....

The new GT (2010) felt more like a refined 05-09 with track pack and worlds of improvements. New car makes mine feel like an old heap (and its not)

 

Have had Camaros, T/As and Stangs.

I was happy with all of them (although I am Pony-biased). If the car is going to be your one and only and/or the daily driver, the Stang is definitely the best way to go. A great engine in an okay car is a lot of fun...but the commuter grind doesn't really keep that shine going for long.

Camaros have always had awesome motors, T/As always handled great.

The Mustang is just the better overall experience everyday, no matter what, how or where you are driving it. And, FWIW, I drive a lot 'cause I really like to - 30k-40k a year or more. Not quite as much since the kids are out of high school and don't go "up north" from Florida to see their grandparents each summer...

 

I have several new Camaros and Challengers on the road in the area i live in. I have to look long and hard to be able to tell these two cars apart from eachother. I can tell a Mustang from a mile away. I might not get the year right until the Mustang is close to me but i can tell it's a Mustang.

 

One of the guys I know just bought a Camaro (senior is high school, working his *** off) V6/RS Auto Yellow/Black rally stripes. While I can't speak ofthe performance , I can say this. It's exhaust is very quiet, even in higher revs. The interior is not as bad as it's made out to be. I found it very comfortable, and I could live with it on a daily basis without a problem. The visibility it very porthole like, but you could see what you needed to. The exterior is what really struck me. I couldn't stop looking at it. I haven't been that smitten with a car in as long as I can remember. It's 10x better looking than a 2010 Mustang, and has soooo much more presence than any Mustang you'll find this side of 1980

This coming from a Mustang fanatic.