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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:15 PM
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somebody needs to get some photoshop goin and get those **** zebra stripes off this thing so I can get a better idea of whats going on. The camo does a good job of really messin with the cars lines!
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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Overall, pretty cool. It's really not that different. The wheels on both are really nice. Although there are still plenty of classic design cues, it looks to me like they are moving away slightly from a decidedly retro look with the tweaks and going for a more modern approach as much as is possible within a simple face lift.

As for grabber blue, I have always hated it, even on classic Mustangs. I know I am in the minority, but I have just never cared for it.

Now all we need is some engine info! There better be at least a bit of a bump!
I remember reading somewhere a quote from Bill Ford that said " We had to get back to making Mustangs and only then could we move forward" He was commenting on all the negative press about the RETRO look and how they had learned they could not make just anything and stamp 'Mustang' on the side. so this evolution is very much in the plan it would seem..
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfpack219
somebody needs to get some photoshop goin and get those **** zebra stripes off this thing so I can get a better idea of whats going on. The camo does a good job of really messin with the cars lines!
well, that is the point. i am sure the camo guy is glad to know he still will have a job!
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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well, that is the point. i am sure the camo guy is glad to know he still will have a job!

ha ha I know.... They just need to quit killing me with this anticipation!!!!!
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Brewman
Pissed off as in mean and gonna kick some but OR pissed off as in "Just look what those idiots did to me"
Pissed off as in stuff a 5.0 in me and lets go eat some camaros and challengers for breakfast!
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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Pissed off as in stuff a 5.0 in me and lets go eat some camaros and challengers for breakfast!
Right on. I was hoping that was the answer.

Eats Camaros. S*&ts Challengers Burps the memory of old firebirds.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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Do want, especially in Grabber Blue.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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looks too soft .... doesnt give me a muscley feel when i look at it...
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brewman
Right on. I was hoping that was the answer.

Eats Camaros. S*&ts Challengers Burps the memory of old firebirds.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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I haven't noticed if anyone has mentioned it, but it looks to me like the body line from the upper edge of the hockey stick (side scoop) forward is raised, like how they changed it from '66 to '67. The 05-09 Mustang has fairly flat sides, like the 65-66. Does anyone else see a peaked body line on the '10 like the 67-68s?
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by backafter20
I haven't noticed if anyone has mentioned it, but it looks to me like the body line from the upper edge of the hockey stick (side scoop) forward is raised, like how they changed it from '66 to '67. The 05-09 Mustang has fairly flat sides, like the 65-66. Does anyone else see a peaked body line on the '10 like the 67-68s?
Yeah I agree. You can really see it in the teaser pic released by Ford
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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I really like the new design, the side shot of the blue car makes the rear look kind of accord coupe the way it is rounded. The ONLY part I dont like is the bottom black piece on the rear bumper. It looks too bulbus and heavy. almost like bubba gump is on the back of the car. If they make that more flush and make only the part between the taillights black (a la GTCS rear bumper) it will look much better.

And I hope they at least offer body color side rockers. I am one of the very few that prefer them to black rocker panels.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by backafter20
I haven't noticed if anyone has mentioned it, but it looks to me like the body line from the upper edge of the hockey stick (side scoop) forward is raised, like how they changed it from '66 to '67. The 05-09 Mustang has fairly flat sides, like the 65-66. Does anyone else see a peaked body line on the '10 like the 67-68s?
You have cracked the code, my friend. 65-66 were geometric like 05-09. The 2010 has more sculpture like the classic 67-70. It just so happens that sculpture has once again become modern, whereas geometry was the "modern" design language via Audi/VW back in the early 2000s when the S197 MK1 was done. 2010 will have much more shape that catches light.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gnat-sum
You have cracked the code, my friend. 65-66 were geometric like 05-09. The 2010 has more sculpture like the classic 67-70. It just so happens that sculpture has once again become modern, whereas geometry was the "modern" design language via Audi/VW back in the early 2000s when the S197 MK1 was done. 2010 will have much more shape that catches light.
And THAT, is a very, very good thing.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Very nice, I'm liking the blue and the new wheels
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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i am really liking what i have been seeing. i think my preference is changing from a black one to the grabber blue.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hatchttu
I really like the new design, the side shot of the blue car makes the rear look kind of accord coupe the way it is rounded. The ONLY part I dont like is the bottom black piece on the rear bumper. It looks too bulbus and heavy. almost like bubba gump is on the back of the car. If they make that more flush and make only the part between the taillights black (a la GTCS rear bumper) it will look much better.

And I hope they at least offer body color side rockers. I am one of the very few that prefer them to black rocker panels.
A basic rule of good car design is the proportion of wheels to body mass. Know how beachhouses on stilts look unsupported, like they can't possibly be held up ? ( apologies to any victims of Ike. ) Its the same thing on a car. If the wheels look overpowered by the body, it appears the cars don't have a solid footing ( called "stance" . ) This is why we all like bigger wheels on the car. It helps make it look smaller ( check out a Challenger SE on 18s vs. an SRT-8 on 20s )

Another trick used to hide body mass on modern cars is wrapping the lights ( both head and tailights )around the corners to hide how far the body sticks out from the wheels.This was not a very classic Mustang cue, so it wasn't done on the 2005 car. This made the rear fender look very long and "heavy". It also made the distance from tailamp to tailamp look wide from the rear, de-emphasizing the width of the rear track ( distance between rear wheels. )

Slicing off the rear corners of the 2010 allows you to wrap the rear lights as well as the surface that encircles the lamps. Stretching both of these around makes the rear fender look shorter in side view, but also makes the rear end look narrower in rear view than the fender lips and outside edges of the tires. Both of these actions emphasize the rear wheels, like very wide fenders ( or hips ). Since the designers couldn't widen the body or narrow the greenhouse, they needed to create the illusion of wide flares. This is what they were talking about to make it look smaller. Its really quite brilliant. ( and it was done way back in late 2005, before gas was $4 or even $3 a gallon, the fuel economy PR is just a coincidence. )

The black fascia at the back is another trick to reduce the visual weight of the body behind the rear wheels. It makes the rear bumper look smaller when there's actual reflective paint on the rest of it. I wouldn't paint this body color without adding some huge wheels in the back, otherwise it'll look like a baby with a full diaper....

This is why I really love the new rear end. Much more sculptural, but in a new way, and it will make the rear end look so much less heavy and blocky. Really well done.
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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You also won't have to worry about rocks and dirt messing up the paint as much. And they will be cheaper to replace in case of an accident
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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gnat-sum
A basic rule of good car design is the proportion of wheels to body mass. Know how beachhouses on stilts look unsupported, like they can't possibly be held up ? ( apologies to any victims of Ike. ) Its the same thing on a car. If the wheels look overpowered by the body, it appears the cars don't have a solid footing ( called "stance" . ) This is why we all like bigger wheels on the car. It helps make it look smaller ( check out a Challenger SE on 18s vs. an SRT-8 on 20s )

Another trick used to hide body mass on modern cars is wrapping the lights ( both head and tailights )around the corners to hide how far the body sticks out from the wheels.This was not a very classic Mustang cue, so it wasn't done on the 2005 car. This made the rear fender look very long and "heavy". It also made the distance from tailamp to tailamp look wide from the rear, de-emphasizing the width of the rear track ( distance between rear wheels. )

Slicing off the rear corners of the 2010 allows you to wrap the rear lights as well as the surface that encircles the lamps. Stretching both of these around makes the rear fender look shorter in side view, but also makes the rear end look narrower in rear view than the fender lips and outside edges of the tires. Both of these actions emphasize the rear wheels, like very wide fenders ( or hips ). Since the designers couldn't widen the body or narrow the greenhouse, they needed to create the illusion of wide flares. This is what they were talking about to make it look smaller. Its really quite brilliant. ( and it was done way back in late 2005, before gas was $4 or even $3 a gallon, the fuel economy PR is just a coincidence. )

The black fascia at the back is another trick to reduce the visual weight of the body behind the rear wheels. It makes the rear bumper look smaller when there's actual reflective paint on the rest of it. I wouldn't paint this body color without adding some huge wheels in the back, otherwise it'll look like a baby with a full diaper....

This is why I really love the new rear end. Much more sculptural, but in a new way, and it will make the rear end look so much less heavy and blocky. Really well done.

I understand that the black makes thinks look less heavy, hence why fat people wear more black. It isnt the amount of black on the rear bumper as it is the way it sticks out from the bumper when viewed from the side, looks like an underbite on the rear of the car. I just think it looks too busy on the bottom of the bumper. I much prefer the cleanness of the GTCS bumper to this.





I have more rock chips on my doors from 18 wheelers throwing them up than on my body color rocker panels. I understand the design reasons to make them black, I just prefer body color rockers.

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Old Sep 15, 2008 | 09:18 PM
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the new antenna is in the right rear quarter panel
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