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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
It's also cheaper in the long run.
One set of options/toys... means they don't have to make serparate panels and switches.
The ones that want more, outweigh thoughs that want few...

Even remembering back to the 94-98 GTS's (the stripper models)
I remember them not selling that well, they were too bare bones.
Great for the 5 people that wanted roll up windows
I am totally one of those five! LOL

Have you ever tried to replace a power door lock actuator?! You may as well just get a whole new door for how frustrating it is (I actually thought about it while stringing together all kinds of four letter words in my driveway).

No wonder I didn't want to get rid of my 69. Ahhh the simple days.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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My biggest reason for wanting a Mustang with all the "bells and whistles" is all though I agree that some cars, like ours, sometimes need to be just about power and fun, I can't afford TWO vehicles, one with power and fun, and one with all the bells and whistles. So I need a car that can afford me luxury, technology, speed, power and fun! That to me needs to be the greatest car in history - The Mustang! I'm glad it can finally meet my stringent requirements. Good job Ford.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 01:27 AM
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About DRLs

A few facts about DRLs >>

Nearly all published reports indicate DRLs reduce multiple-vehicle daytime crashes. Evidence about DRL effects on crashes comes from studies conducted in Scandinavia, Canada, and the United States. A study examining the effect of Norway's DRL law from 1980 to 1990 found a 10 percent decline in daytime multiple-vehicle crashes.1 A Danish study reported a 7 percent reduction in DRL-relevant crashes in the first 15 months after DRL use was required and a 37 percent decline in left-turn crashes.2 In a second study covering 2 years and 9 months of Denmark's law, there was a 6 percent reduction in daytime multiple-vehicle crashes and a 34 percent reduction in left-turn crashes.3 A 1994 Transport Canada study comparing 1990 model year vehicles with DRLs to 1989 vehicles without them found that DRLs reduced relevant daytime multiple-vehicle crashes by 11 percent.4

In the United States, a 1985 Institute study determined that commercial fleet passenger vehicles modified to operate with DRLs were involved in 7 percent fewer daytime multiple-vehicle crashes than similar vehicles without DRLs.5 A small-scale fleet study conducted in the 1960s found an 18 percent lower daytime multiple-vehicle crash rate for DRL-equipped vehicles.6 Multiple-vehicle daytime crashes account for about half of all police-reported crashes in the United States. A 2002 Institute study reported a 3 percent decline in daytime multiple-vehicle crash risk in nine US states concurrent with the introduction of DRLs.7 Federal researchers, using data collected nationwide, concluded that there was a 5 percent decline in daytime, two-vehicle, opposite-direction crashes and a 12 percent decline in fatal crashes with pedestrians and bicyclists.8
I agree that auto headlights are a worthless feature, though.

Now rain sensing wipers and a heated steering wheel - that would be awesome.

Or how 'bout a Shiatsu massaging driver's seat with a "happy ending" receptacle?

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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
A few facts about DRLs >>



I agree that auto headlights are a worthless feature, though.

Now rain sensing wipers and a heated steering wheel - that would be awesome.

Or how 'bout a Shiatsu massaging driver's seat with a "happy ending" receptacle?

Thats gross, hopefully I'm not driving any where near you when you are getting that "happy ending"
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:43 PM
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Talk about a distraction! I don't think DRLs are going to save you that that bud.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FordBlueHeart
Thats gross, hopefully I'm not driving any where near you when you are getting that "happy ending"


Actually, I was hoping to gross you out. Mission accomplished.

Kidding aside, it was my sarcastic way of saying that some of these "luxury" features go too far for the Mustang...and I am usually a proponent of amenities, too.

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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mot250
Big deal, I turn that feature off on my wife's car all the time. People get too lazy/hooked on the feature then forget to turn lights on in other cars that don't have it. Plus all of these extra, laziness-enhansing features end up costing a bundle as the manufacturer bundles them in with features that are actually useful like trip computers (mpg, ET, trip miles, etc).

Now don't anyone go and suggest DRLs should be standard 'cause then I'll really have to go ape.
I agree 100%, and running the lights all the time just burns the bulb up faster, and although it's not an expensive deal, it's the nature of the whole deal
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mot250
Big deal, I turn that feature off on my wife's car all the time. People get too lazy/hooked on the feature then forget to turn lights on in other cars that don't have it. Plus all of these extra, laziness-enhansing features end up costing a bundle as the manufacturer bundles them in with features that are actually useful like trip computers (mpg, ET, trip miles, etc).

Now don't anyone go and suggest DRLs should be standard 'cause then I'll really have to go ape.
My 250 has it and I still turn them on/off when I want, think its a better habit myself
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mot250
Big deal, I turn that feature off on my wife's car all the time. People get too lazy/hooked on the feature then forget to turn lights on in other cars that don't have it....
Transitioning from my '96 T-Bird LX w/ AutoLamps to my '05 Frontier w/o AutoLamps was no difficulty for me. I just simply realized they weren't auto and turned them on when needed.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT


Actually, I was hoping to gross you out. Mission accomplished.

Kidding aside, it was my sarcastic way of saying that some of these "luxury" features go too far for the Mustang...and I am usually a proponent of amenities, too.
I threw up in my mouth when I read it.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
A few facts about DRLs >>



I agree that auto headlights are a worthless feature, though.

Let's not forget that insurance companies in most states are now offering additional discounts for DRL's. Considering the mark-up that these greedy bastards make on us in the first place, I'll pay the $4.00 for a new bulb if and when they happen to burn out!
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
…a "happy ending" receptacle?
I already have one of those. She usually sits in the passenger seat.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by zzcoop
I already have one of those. She usually sits in the passenger seat.
Isnt that option you are referring to in the passenger seat also known as My Key?
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 10:18 AM
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Drl's are very useful in helping one to pass on two lane highways .Cars without them are much harder to see depending on their colour and the natural daylight available. As I have mentioned previously ,all vehicles manufactured for sale in N.A. have drl's set up in their pcm. those for Canada are activated,those for the U.S. are not .Personally, I prefer the ones that use amber parking lights rather than low beam headlights .There are no real extra cost for drl's. As for auto on headlights it is a very good feature, especially for Canada, because it is very easy to forget to turn on headlights when you can drive by the light of the drl's. I agree with Icehawk about having luxury options as standard equipment on mustangs because many of us use our cars as our daily driver and cannot afford the luxury of having two cars.

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
A few facts about DRLs >>



I agree that auto headlights are a worthless feature, though.


Re: DRL facts. Data can be made to "say" whatever you want it to if you slice it just the right way. How about the fact that motorcycles, school busses, police, and other emergency vehicles are now less conspicuous since there are no so many vehicles on the road with DRLs or just those running headlights (high beams often times) during the day? Running headlights during the day used to be against the law in many states except for emergency vehicles.

DRLs do not make the car with them any safer (unlike ABS for example). They just make your car more conspicuous so some other loser might pull out in front of you otherwise. But at what cost? distracting other drivers? Essentially "hiding" other un-lit cars (or other objects) that might be in your vicinity?

Now, many motorcycles and school busses need to resort to strobing lights just to stay a step ahead. How's that for distracting?

Are pedestrians destined to carry flashlights? How 'bout our pets? I guess mailboxes and parked cars are fair game to be hit with reckless abandon since they are not lit up either....

Sorry for the rant...(not really)
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by StangMahn
I agree 100%, and running the lights all the time just burns the bulb up faster, and although it's not an expensive deal, it's the nature of the whole deal
Exactly...not only bulb replacement, but ultimately burning gas to have the lights on...

GM was/is a proponent of forcing DRLs on everyone. GM has been a leading force trying to get the US Gov't to make DRLS mandatory for all cars. Yet GM has also petitioned the Gov't to allow them to disable the DRLS for CAFE fuel efficiency tests...what does that say for DRLs?

So some can argue that having the lights on all of the time can't use that much fuel...But GM thought it was a big enough issue for their corporate average fuel economy.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mot250
Re: DRL facts. Data can be made to "say" whatever you want it to if you slice it just the right way. How about the fact that motorcycles, school busses, police, and other emergency vehicles are now less conspicuous since there are no so many vehicles on the road with DRLs or just those running headlights (high beams often times) during the day? Running headlights during the day used to be against the law in many states except for emergency vehicles.

DRLs do not make the car with them any safer (unlike ABS for example). They just make your car more conspicuous so some other loser might pull out in front of you otherwise. But at what cost? distracting other drivers? Essentially "hiding" other un-lit cars (or other objects) that might be in your vicinity?

Now, many motorcycles and school busses need to resort to strobing lights just to stay a step ahead. How's that for distracting?

Are pedestrians destined to carry flashlights? How 'bout our pets? I guess mailboxes and parked cars are fair game to be hit with reckless abandon since they are not lit up either....

Sorry for the rant...(not really)
I live in a country that has DRLs and I've seen the results for myself. So I speak from experience. You live in a country that doesn't use them...so what do you speak from?

No offense, dude.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
I live in a country that has DRLs and I've seen the results for myself. So I speak from experience. You live in a country that doesn't use them...so what do you speak from?

No offense, dude.
Hey Hollywood, do your DRLs have to be headlights or can they use marker lights?
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 06:59 AM
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im sure many people can do without this feature... saves some money too. whats next a steering wheel warmer?
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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I have used a module from webelectric to convert my parking/turn signals into my drls . I have not had any complaints from the police . I think what matters most is that you have something rather than nothing at all. There are a great number of cars that use the headlights any many others that use the parking lights.
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