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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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I've got it
4.0 base model (for your sister)
4.6 300 hp ( for those old people who want power but not a sox n martin car)
3.5 v6 TT 370? hp (for the import weirdos)
5.0 4v 410 hp (for ...people)
5.4 4v 450 hp
5.8 525 hp
maybe a 6.2 or something?
man i love dreaming
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by boduke0220
I've got it
4.0 base model (for your sister)
4.6 300 hp ( for those old people who want power but not a sox n martin car)
3.5 v6 TT 370? hp (for the import weirdos)
5.0 4v 410 hp (for ...people)
5.4 4v 450 hp
5.8 525 hp
maybe a 6.2 or something?
man i love dreaming
Nope, the 4.0L V6 is going away, probably when the updated Mustang comes out. Will be replaced by a D35 V6 making ~265HP.

I also think the probability of having both a 370 HO V6TT and a 370HP V8 are slim. It's simply not cost effective to have 2 engines so similar in HP.

This would be more like it:
Base: 3.5L V6 DOHC 6V 265 HP
GT: 4.6L V8 SOHC 3V 315 HP
GT option: 5.0L V8 DOHC 4V 370 HP
Boss: 5.8L V8 SOHC 420 HP, lots of torque
GT-500: 5.8L V8 SOHC 2V S/C 550+ HP

The 5.0L V8 is a Jaguar engine. The V8 will win out over the Turbo V6 because that's what the majority of Mustang customers want.

The 5.8L V8 is the new Boss.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
I also think the probability of having both a 370 HO V6TT and a 370HP V8 are slim. It's simply not cost effective to have 2 engines so similar in HP.

The V8 will win out over the Turbo V6 because that's what the majority of Mustang customers want.
Agreed. I see no place in the Mustang lineup for a TT V6.

Much better suited to a car like the Lincoln MKS.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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I want Ford to offer both a V8 and the TT V6. Give people the option, entice in conquest sales, bring the car into the present, but give us lunkheads our Rumble.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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I'd prefer the TT V6. Power AND fuel economy... now that's a car.

If i have to choose I pick power, but if I can have both, why wouldn't i?
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 10:51 AM
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ye aim not much of a TT fan , doesnt seem that reliable?
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by boduke0220
ye aim not much of a TT fan , doesnt seem that reliable?
The 3.5L V6 has been designed for Turbo applications and the use of Synthenic oil has helped with the "coking"/reliablity issues that where found on early Turbo cars from the 1980's

I would like to see the 5L and 3.5L TT offered in the car, but the V8 would be the GT and the TT engine would be a Mustang Sprint or something along those lines...with the TT being about 2K more option over the V8
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 02:32 PM
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i just dont see why it would have to be the mustang with the TT......it already has a HUGE fan base of V8 lovers and just people who love the mustang. In my opinion, it would just make more sense to make it more of an exclusive car......especially since some of you said they would like to see it compete with cars like the M3. I mean come on if you want the IRS, you want a high output TT, decent fuel economy, great suspension and road manors, and ability to compete with some of the top dogs, then your looking at an entirely different class of car. One that the mustang can only fit into with the shelby......sometimes. Like i said early.....IF they are going to make a two door sports car with the TT, realistically why not just badge it a mercury or a lincoln......that way it COULD have all those features whereas pretty much all other variants of the mustang would not. Again this is just my 2 cents........to me with all these upcoming special edition mustangs why through in a TTV6 in the mix?
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cheech6g
i just dont see why it would have to be the mustang with the TT......it already has a HUGE fan base of V8 lovers and just people who love the mustang. In my opinion, it would just make more sense to make it more of an exclusive car......especially since some of you said they would like to see it compete with cars like the M3. I mean come on if you want the IRS, you want a high output TT, decent fuel economy, great suspension and road manors, and ability to compete with some of the top dogs, then your looking at an entirely different class of car. One that the mustang can only fit into with the shelby......sometimes. Like i said early.....IF they are going to make a two door sports car with the TT, realistically why not just badge it a mercury or a lincoln......that way it COULD have all those features whereas pretty much all other variants of the mustang would not. Again this is just my 2 cents........to me with all these upcoming special edition mustangs why through in a TTV6 in the mix?
I agree. Lincoln MKR >>

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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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The MKR never fails to inspire a gag from me. Like, is Ford serious about that front end?
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AnotherMustangMan
Like, is Ford serious about that front end?


Like, ask yourself the following question >> When was the last time Ford got serious about ANY concept it ever introduced.

Like, when...?

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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT


Like, ask yourself the following question >> When was the last time Ford got serious about ANY concept it ever introduced.

Like, when...?

Like never.

Ford has already backed off on building both the MKR and MKZ. Ford has admitted that a stretched D2C platform as used in these show cars is not really suitable for use in such larger 4 door sedans.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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some of us older guys remember the '06-'07 Buick grand national turbo V6.That was one hot car in its day and so easily moddable.I would love a TTV6 mustang.Turn up the boost and watch out!!!!!!!!!
Good times
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showpo...&postcount=127

I don't know if Im for it in the Mustang but when they threw it in the TA is was pretty awesome.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
Like never.

Ford has already backed off on building both the MKR and MKZ. Ford has admitted that a stretched D2C platform as used in these show cars is not really suitable for use in such larger 4 door sedans.
Hadn't heard either of those claims. Do you have a URL where this is definitively stated?

I wouldn't be entirely surprised, of course, but it would tend to support the theory that Alan Mulally really won't be able to fix the company without first cutting out the rot that is better known as the 'marketing & finance dept.'
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT


Like, ask yourself the following question >> When was the last time Ford got serious about ANY concept it ever introduced.

Like, when...?


Alright, with respect to production intention, of course they're rarely serious. But their concept stuff is usually attractive, not head-scratchingly ugly.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cheech6g
i just dont see why it would have to be the mustang with the TT......it already has a HUGE fan base of V8 lovers and just people who love the mustang. In my opinion, it would just make more sense to make it more of an exclusive car......especially since some of you said they would like to see it compete with cars like the M3. I mean come on if you want the IRS, you want a high output TT, decent fuel economy, great suspension and road manors, and ability to compete with some of the top dogs, then your looking at an entirely different class of car. One that the mustang can only fit into with the shelby......sometimes. Like i said early.....IF they are going to make a two door sports car with the TT, realistically why not just badge it a mercury or a lincoln......that way it COULD have all those features whereas pretty much all other variants of the mustang would not. Again this is just my 2 cents........to me with all these upcoming special edition mustangs why through in a TTV6 in the mix?
I believe your introduction answers your querry. Why add a TT when there is already a huge following of the V8? More then likely the V8 lovers will still follow their beloved V8. The answer to the question is marketshare. While there will probably be some loss from the V8 department, more then likely that will be offset and succeeded by an influx of new customs drawn to the different performance and attributes of the TT. If it can be done cost effectively then ford should definitely do it.

As for the coking issue rased in other posts, If the idiot owners would read their owners manual and follow the instructions, there is no issue. Just like any car it should not be ran hard immediately after start, nor should it be shut off immediately after being ran hard. This is true for all cars, turbos are just more susceptable if this is not followed.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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a factory turbo timer would be nice, but i'm sure it would never come with the car.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 03:14 PM
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While a TT3.5 sounds quite cool and would likely be an awesome performer, it does seem like it would be mostly redundant with a similarly powerful V8 (Jag 5.0?). Audi and Mercedes both tried the blown (turbo and supercharged) mid size V6 route for a while. While making for nice cars, certainly, they eventually gave way to larger naturally aspirated V8s. Of course, all this transpired during the days of ultracheap gas, so maybe if we start shelling out $6 a gallon, this higher tech, more efficient (presumably) approach might be more appealing.

If Ford does want to develop TT technology, I would see this powerplant more likely in other applications than the Mustang, although it would make for a quite interesting SE Stang. And the easily accessible power gains (chipping, minor intake and exhaust system mods) would be quite enticing too.

I certainly don't see a TT3.5 supplanting all V8s in the Stang lineup as the big bent 8s have far too much heritage and following. Ford learned that general lesson when they tried kicking around the idea of replacing the Stang with the FWD Probe. However excellent the 2nd gen Probe was -- and it is, I have one -- it wasn't a Mustang and was just a stupid idea.

As for turbo motor reliability, that has improved immensely since the early days of turbo charging and a well engineered turbo motor can be just as reliable as any well-engineered non-turbo motor.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jarradasay
I believe your introduction answers your querry. Why add a TT when there is already a huge following of the V8? More then likely the V8 lovers will still follow their beloved V8. The answer to the question is marketshare. While there will probably be some loss from the V8 department, more then likely that will be offset and succeeded by an influx of new customs drawn to the different performance and attributes of the TT. If it can be done cost effectively then ford should definitely do it.

As for the coking issue rased in other posts, If the idiot owners would read their owners manual and follow the instructions, there is no issue. Just like any car it should not be ran hard immediately after start, nor should it be shut off immediately after being ran hard. This is true for all cars, turbos are just more susceptable if this is not followed.

Fair enought.....but why does it have to be in a mustang? If they produce any nice sporty coupe period with the TT im sure it would sell. And if its put in anything other than the mustang, it wouldnt steal sales from mustangs with V8's, but gain new sales, which is what ford needs right now. Obviously this is just my own speculation, but if they did offer it as say a lincoln or mercury.....maybe they would steal some customers from people looking to buy an Infiniti G35 or BMW 3 series. To me that makes more sense than adding ANOTHER SE mustang. At the same time if they did that, then they would also in turn bump up either lincoln or mercury's images.....if the car was a winner.
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