AnotherMustangMan

Eh, it could be argued a properly maintained TTV6 will last just as long, but let's face the fact that few owners maintain engines half as well as they should, and a low revving V8 can tolerate neglect better than a hopped up TTV6.

Knight

I agree a well maintained TT car can last a long time but a NA car can take some neglect and last a long time since they aren't as sensitive to blow by and carbon build ups.

randy_tho

I tend to agree about longterm reliability just because an NA is more simple. High mileage turbos tend to leak and burn oil.

However TT engines often aren't high revving. In fact that is the point of two turbos. You get two smaller ones that spin up faster and make more power lower in the RPM range. The VR4 and Stealth TT peak at around 2000-3000 RPM and hold power to redline.

conv_stang

sorry clicked the wrong thing to quote. i wanted the one below it where mustang fan listed off some twin turbo cars. my bad *geez* : )

Burke0011

Well considering this engine is a version of the turboed 4 cyl they have in the MAZDA SPEED3 which is a great powerplant..... I have great hopes....

V10

Say what?

The Duratec 35 & the Twin Force tubocharged version of the D35 have nothing to do with the Mazda tubo 4.

MSP

Any Mustang with this engine in the engine bay will be so bad azz its ridiculous.. Supports 400HP on E85 and 600HP on gasoline!!

WOW!!

http://www.automk.com/thread-45915-1-1.html

Burke0011

Pardon me - I meant that they are using the exact same direct injection fuel system as found on the Mazda Speed3 engine (and that is what they have in common)





The Lincoln MKR concept introduces a new engine technology that delivers V-8 power and performance with V-6 fuel economy. The new technology, named TwinForce™, will appear on future Lincoln and Ford vehicles.


TwinForce uses direct injection technology and turbocharging. These technologies are common in diesel engines, but have only recently been combined for use in gasoline engines.
“Everything we do is driven by our customers,” said Derrick Kuzak, group vice president, Global Product Development. “Our TwinForce engine technology is a key element of how we’re going after fuel economy gains without asking anyone to give up performance.”
TwinForce’s direct-injection fuel system is different than conventional port fuel-injected gasoline engines. Instead of squirting gasoline into the engine cylinder head, it directly injects gasoline into the engine’s cylinders at high pressures.


Direct-injection fuel systems can more precisely control when and how much fuel is injected into the engine cylinders, allowing for more efficient burn and improved combustion control that delivers optimal performance and fuel economy.
Ford’s new Duratec 35 all-aluminum V-6, named a 10 Best Engine by Ward’s, is the foundation for the TwinForce technology found in the Lincoln MKR concept.
The Lincoln MKR’s engine is flex-fuel capable, providing the driver with the flexibility to switch back and forth between gasoline and E-85 ethanol. At Ford, flexible fuel is an important step toward development of more efficient, renewable biofuels that can provide energy security as well as environmental benefits.
Combining the high octane found in E-85 or premium gasoline with TwinForce technology allows the Lincoln MKR’s V-6 to deliver 415 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque – an impressive 118 horsepower per liter.
To achieve this type of performance from a V-8 would require an engine displacement of 6.0-liters or larger. As a result of the smaller V-6, the Lincoln MKR concept delivers 15 percent better fuel economy than a V-8 with similar performance.
In North America, the market is growing for the new TwinForce technology. Ford Motor Company already has several direct-injection equipped 4-cylinder engines in production, including a 1.8-liter launched in the 2003 Ford Mondeo and the 2.3-liter turbocharged engine developed by Mazda for the 2006 MazdaSpeed6.The TwinForce technology used in the Lincoln MKR represents Ford’s first application of direct injection on a V-6 engine. Its development was led by Ford Powertrain Research and Advanced Engineering, the same group leading the production design and development of this technology in a pilot program intended to speed the time to market with the new engine.



And the Mazda Speed6 engine is the exact same one used in the Speed3.

DynamicmustangGT

Yeah besides the ttv6 is going to be about topped out, right from the factory. Without major changes (engine swap, or internals/block) the engine most likly won't handle more without serious damage. Therefore a regular v6 and adding your own turbo's would be the best option.

Burke0011

Based on?......

Cleveland

based on limited knowledge of the subject...

A Turbo motor can support big power if the components can handle it. A stock 2.0 turbo found in the Evo makes ~285 flywheel hp stock and can still be doubled and has been done already. Just like everything, it just takes money.

-Dan

Moosetang

Actually, to improve reliability most from-factory turbos push through a fairly moderate boost. I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of high-boost potential left for the aftermarket.

Burke0011

As I thought.....

GT98

Uh the 3.5L was designed from the outset for Turbo applications...and I'm assuming that the 3.5L TT engine will have a mild tune to it to help increase its MPG not HP...esp in applications for the Mustang.

MSP

Yeah look at this evil EVO hanging with a Supra and killing a Cobra!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nWSTpfj3eE

Thats 2.0L... Imagine what this 3.5L TT motor will be able to do.. So 2.0L @ 600WHP... 3.5L TT @ ?

Ford has stopped pulling punches finally.. Looks like they are going for a K.O with this motor..

My guess is with a proper tune, a stock V6 Mustang with this motor would easily kill a Z06 Vette no problem.. With the right amount of boost applied to the motor...

Boomer

So now..if they apply the same kind of oomph to the BOSS engines, we should all be smiling.

Ford has some nice engines...

MSP

It is conceivable Boomer that Ford could perhaps create a 4.6L variant of this engine in the future .. This 4.6L TT engine could claim MPG equivelant to that of a V6 engine.. This option would be for the die hard V8 fans which refuse to endeavor into the world of a V6.. LOL!

So yes it is possible that some day, if Ford chooses, they could create a V8 version identicle to this 3.5L V6.. Perhaps a 4.5L TT or 4.6L TT..

If we email them enough, how about a similar 5.0L TT... They could do it if they wanted.. Using the same technology..

Knight

the Evo with 2.3L stroker has done over 1000rwhp... so the 3.5L should be able to do 1000rwhp on less boost then the evo or supra.

MSP

Exactly!! Perhaps Fords late response to the 3.0L 1000RWHP Supra engine of 1994! LOL!!

Better late than never!

Its about time... 13 years for a response.. LOL!!

Are we possibly looking at an aftermarket with 1100-1200RWHP Mustangs on the horizon? '

It may sound ridiculous now, but Knight is correct.. The Supra was a 3.0L 1000RWHP monster... What is Ford up to? Anyone want to take a guess?


Lets also not forget the 900RWHP 2.3L Mustang SVO engine everyone overlooked..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH8rBJXz6d0

Ford knows about turbo's.. Last time they intorduced them, everyone shrugged them off like they were crazy.. Only a few owners knew the truth... Hopefully this time, people will pay attention...

Knight

one correct to my last post.. the evo is 1000awhp... not rwhp.