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Old 9/7/13, 05:04 AM
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2013 Mustang GT HP ????

i have been reading that the 2013 GT has 412 HP i have also seen that it has 420 HP .... so which one is it ?
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Originally Posted by Brian Berthold
i have been reading that the 2013 GT has 412 HP i have also seen that it has 420 HP .... so which one is it ?
420 ish, give or take 8 hp; or more than a camaro SS to the wheels.
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'11 and '12 were rated at 412bhp............the '13 and '14 are rated at 420bhp
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
'11 and '12 were rated at 412bhp............the '13 and '14 are rated at 420bhp
crank horsepower not bhp......
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Originally Posted by theACE
crank horsepower not bhp......
^^^ This. Take what the brochure and literature says and subtract 18 - 20% for the drivetrain loss, and that will be your approximate rwhp.
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Originally Posted by V6 Driver

^^^ This. Take what the brochure and literature says and subtract 18 - 20% for the drivetrain loss, and that will be your approximate rwhp.
I thought it would be around 15-18% loss
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Put it on a dyno and you'll see that it's actually making ~430hp at the crank.
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While I’m not a big believer in any fixed percentage formula for drive train loss, I have to admit with my dyno runs below it pretty much goes in line with the formula.

I had a CAI and a 93R tune on my 2013 Mustang with the advertised 420 @ crank, it dyno’ed right around 380rwhp on a Dyno Jet dyno. If you take the 18% theory that’s 344.4 RWHP now add the tune factor (30HP) and a little for the CAI (5.6HP) that equals the dyno results of 380 RWHP. So in my case the 18% rule applies “fairly” well.
When I put the supercharger on the car that advertised 625crank HP with the Roush calibration it dyno’ed (on the same dyno that did the run prior to the SC install) at 529 RWHP so that’s a loss of 16.4%

There’s a lot of reading material on the web about this.

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Who said anything about rwhp?
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Well, unless you have access to an engine dyno to measure engine HP, then you have to use a chassis dyno to measure RWHP and convert backwards. I don't know any shop that has an engine dyno.
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Originally Posted by rriddle3
Well, unless you have access to an engine dyno to measure engine HP, then you have to use a chassis dyno to measure RWHP and convert backwards. I don't know any shop that has an engine dyno.
He asked about base hp, rwhp just kinda popped in the conversation. My camaro comment was a joke

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If anyone's interested, I just ran mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and stock it put down 373 rwhp. Now have it up to 424!
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Originally Posted by RMM_DDS16
If anyone's interested, I just ran mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and stock it put down 373 rwhp. Now have it up to 424!
Nice, sounds about right.
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Originally Posted by theACE
crank horsepower not bhp......
I was of the understanding that 'bhp' was used interchangeably with the term ''crank horsepower' and that FWHP or RWHP were the terms used to indicate the power at the drive wheels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepo...ake_horsepower
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso

I was of the understanding that 'bhp' was used interchangeably with the term ''crank horsepower' and that FWHP or RWHP were the terms used to indicate the power at the drive wheels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepo...ake_horsepower
Yeah I thought the same
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Brake horsepower (bhp) was basically the same as SAE gross, neither used since about 1972 since nobody runs an automobile engine that way. They measured engine power with no accessories or parts (alternator, transmission, water pump, power steering, etc.) attached to the engine that could rob power. This changed when SAE net came to the table, adding the parts that most engines would normally have attached in real world use. Most people agree that to get comparable values, reduce SAE gross by 20% to get close to SAE net.

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Thanks for.the additional clarification. I still contend that the term is used, perhaps somewhat imprecisely, to refer to hp at the crank. Twin Turbo, I often hear and read your countrymen often use bhp. Any comments?
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Originally Posted by RMM_DDS16
If anyone's interested, I just ran mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and stock it put down 373 rwhp. Now have it up to 424!
what mods dd u add to reach 424
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