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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 12:16 PM
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Since when did Mustangs Daily become the Bible of all things Mustang...If you look at all their stories they are always a day or two later then anything posted on THE MUSTANG SOURCE... seriously check the post dates and I'll show you a post on here that trumped it...They troll and then post "exclusive info" ...Take them with a grain of salt.
The OP runs "Mustangs Daily". Why do you think every thread he starts is a link to that site? Just pull up his thread history. He posts the same stuff on mustangforums.com.

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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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Sweet, glad I didn't pull the trigger on upgrading to a '12. Gonna hold out and see what '13 brings us.
Oh, be quiet over there with your '68.

You'll buy a '13 just in time to see the new '15 model!
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 01:59 PM
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Im betting there will be a DI-version of the 5.0 down the road. Probably not in the 13MY but maybe in the new 15MY, who knows.

In the article in the thread posted by MRGTX, (sorry i cant quote here, I'm on a mobile version), it says several times throughout that it was designed to take DI in the future and Mike Harrison, one of the leads on the Coyote project is even quoted saying it was designed to take DI as well as it was packaged with DI injectors.

Although it is still very possible that DI will never come to the 5.0, we will just have to wait crossing the fingers and see.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX
Oh, be quiet over there with your '68.

You'll buy a '13 just in time to see the new '15 model!


True, we can only assume the '15 will be badass, probably makes more sense to just wait for that one.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX
Ok... well that might be true...despite the anonymous source... and I think we would all be glad to not have our motors completely outdated so quickly.

On the other hand, it's hard to imagine that Ford wouldn't do it if it was possible.
It's not that they can't do it, it's just that - right now - it's not economical enough for them to do so. It adds a lot of expense to the engine.

Now 2015? Definite possibility. But I haven't heard a thing about 5.0 changes for 2013. If anything, the 5.0 was underrated at 412 and they're just re-rating it at 425 (which is closer to what it actually makes). Cheapest way to make more power two or three years down the road is to underrate your current engine. Chevy did the same thing in 2011 with the V6 they shoved into the Camaro.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Motor Trend has posted some pictures of a new looking Mustang

Update - I see Topnotch placed these pictures and the story on the 2015 - Next Generation Chat...BUT...Based on recent stories about the 2013 taking styling cues from the GT500, I'm thinking that these pictures represent the 2013 more than it does the 2015. In my humble opinion, the 2015 will not look anything like our 2010 - 2014 version. The car is going global and Ford will have to shape the car to be accepted by much younger people and Europeans and Asians.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut..._01.html#photo

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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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That is just an artist rendition. The rear lights won't angle forward on the 2013. Think a rear closer to the 1970 stang.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Wow, the Camaro got spanked! Thanks for posting that!
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
Wow, the Camaro got spanked! Thanks for posting that!
In fairness, that was a Boss...the difference would have been noticably smaller with a GT.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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The camaro looks like a tank next to a mustang.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX
With the new fuel economy standards coming down the pipe, they couldnt turn down measurably better fuel economy as well as a power bump of a similar magnitude.

Besides, iirc, there is a provision in the Coyote head design for the injector.
Again, I'm not holding my breath for a DI 5.0L any time in the near-future, but what do I know? ...

There's a lot of assuming going on as to the theoretical fuel economy and performance benefits of direct injection, but only Ford knows what their DI 5.0L is capable of. The fact they decided to release both the Coyote and 747 Boss devoid of DI, even in the first generation engines, tells me all I need to know... for now. Perhaps the added expense of direct injection in addition to the comparatively costly, possibly problematic, high-pressure fuel systems and cylinder head carbon build-up isn't worth the slight gains in fuel economy and output on such a low volume vehicle? I don't know. Remember, in addition to the updated CAFE requirements, there are new LEV III and Tier 3 emissions requirements in the pipeline, too, and the current crop of DI engines don't meet the criteria for PM. Diesel-like particulate filters, here we come! But, wait, won't that adversely affect fuel economy...?

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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX
In fairness, that was a Boss...the difference would have been noticably smaller with a GT.
Yeah, but it still features a 5.0L engine, which is much smaller in displacement than the Camaro's 6.2L engine, which is more relevant to my earlier point.

You're right, the spanking isn't quite as severe with the "regular" GT, but the difference in horsepower between the Boss and Camaro (18 horses) is pretty close to the difference in horsepower between the Camaro and "regular" GT (14 horsepower). The Boss has less torque, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHqbqGCCMc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3p8fZZQM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fny6_GRhOf4&NR=1

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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 11:30 PM
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I am certainly liking what I am hearing about the 2013 Mustang. I so want to get a GT500 but could not accept the current horsepower offering. 600 plus horsepower would certainly persuade me to place an order for a 2013 GT500.
As far as a DI 5.0 appearing before the 2015 Mustang, I just do not see that happening. I would think Ford would wait untill the 2015 Mustang is ready and the offer it .
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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX
In fairness, that was a Boss...the difference would have been noticably smaller with a GT.
As well the 400hp SS not the 426 HP manual. At 1 mile the difference would have been very close.
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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
Wow, the Camaro got spanked! Thanks for posting that!
Its nice to see the Brits giving love to our Mustang...I wish Top Gear (British version) would redo a story on our new GT and Boss...last time they did a story on the Mustang, needless to say, they were pretty negative about it. They did like the Roush version though.
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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 05:38 AM
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If the rumors are true, I will be trading my 10 in for a 13 either silver or grey 5.0. I love black but it is a pain to keep up. I hope the glass roof option is still in effect for the next model year.
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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lou_n_Ada
Its nice to see the Brits giving love to our Mustang...I wish Top Gear (British version) would redo a story on our new GT and Boss...last time they did a story on the Mustang, needless to say, they were pretty negative about it. They did like the Roush version though.
Fear not. That Boss has been doing the rounds with the UK car magazines and has also spent time with Top Gear, so expect to see it included in the next series, which airs in December in the UK, IIRC.

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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
Fear not. That Boss has been doing the rounds with the UK car magazines and has also spent time with Top Gear, so expect to see it included in the next series, which airs in December in the UK, IIRC.

Thanks for that tidbit Paul! Been boycotting Top Gear until they put some version of a '10+ on there lol
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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
You're right, the spanking isn't quite as severe with the "regular" GT, but the difference in horsepower between the Boss and Camaro (18 horses) is pretty close to the difference in horsepower between the Camaro and "regular" GT (14 horsepower). The Boss has less torque, too.
In that drag race they were using a automatic Camaro so it was 44hp difference on paper since the auto camaro gets the truck 6.2L with only 400hp.
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Old Aug 19, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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since the auto camaro gets the truck 6.2L with only 400hp.
Which is pretty sad.
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