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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 12:43 PM
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Who knows, maybe with all that German testing, they'll adopt some styling cues from their high-performance cars...
Hopefully starting with their door panels!
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 12:50 PM
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If this is all true, and I'm not convinced it is, I'm surprised that Ford is doing so many changes for only two years. Perhaps I should have waited for the 2013.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Hmm... is 425 and #8 a good mix?



Come on Chicken Little... The sky is not falling!! The #8 cylinder problem issue was started by Camaro riders (notice I didn't say drivers) upset that Mustang sales were again starting to pick up. The engine is fine!! No worries





For those experiencing #8 issues for real... please accept my apologies at poking fun and joking. just having fun
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 04:05 PM
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Who else is ordering a 2013 GT500? I have one on order...Well, just a deposit at my dealer...I just hope it is really Special...No idea of the looks or options but, I am in with the 600+ hp from the factory...This is going to Rock....
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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If they are gonna bump the HP, they should have at least BEAT the Camaro.

I mean really, two more HP cannot be that hard to do and is a nice iconic number in itself.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RedCandy5.0
Since sales are not that great they want all us '11-'12 owners to trade our cars in.
This sort of model schedule is exactly in-line with what "today's Ford" has guaranteed -- every three years or so, you'll either see a a mid-cycle redesign (2010 Mustang), a refresh (2013 Mustang) or a completely new model (2015 model). Ford's doing this with the Taurus and a host of other models, too, so it's not entirely unexpected.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:14 PM
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Some good and some bad here. First off styling the 2013 off the Shelby is a mistake! Part of what was done so well for the 2010 was giving the 3 models their distinct looks. The V-6, GT and GT500 all looked very different as they should! If the GT looks like the GT500 we are going into Camaro territory where the ZL1 looks almost the same as the SS. Going back to history the Shelby's from 67 forward were very different asthetically from the standard Mustangs. It doesn't sound like the GT500 is changing much at all from reports so this is not a change in the right direction.

The redesigned rear will obviously make many people happy. The HP bump for the GT is a good idea. In a 1/2 mile race the SS displacment at 6.2 liters really starts to show as the Camaro will beat the GT in most circumstances. The 2012 RS has 326 HP, but I haven't seen any comparison yet by auto mags so I don't know if the Mustang V-6 will need a bump or not.

Since the order banks open in Oct. I am surprised by a mid Nov. reveal. I honestly would have expected early Oct. at least in print or online.
While the Camaro does have a much larger engine in terms of displacement, the 5.0L Coyote more than holds its own, even though it's down a bit in terms of output and size. The fact the Mustang is a couple hundred pounds lighter doesn't hurt, either, although I have to admit that I haven't seen a 1/2 mile race comparison between the two cars (or any car for that matter), so you may be right. Something tells me the higher-revving Coyote would fare better, though.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Hmm... is 425 and #8 a good mix?
Hopefully, by then, most all tuners will have a better grasp on how to properly modify Ford's new 5.0L mill.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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Dear Ford, stop jerking around & give us 450HP, a tremec transmission, and yes new tail lights!!! I'm getting close to buying a new stang!!
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:21 PM
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Kinda sucks for current gt500 owners but is a plus for someone purchasing a new GT!
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:30 PM
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Let's see what Fords plan is before people start going nuts about the whole "GT500 styling cues" problem. I don't think it'll be as wild as everyone expects. Based on the April shots we saw, they may be using that front "nose" for better aero, which is always a good thing in my book.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
Let's see what Fords plan is before people start going nuts about the whole "GT500 styling cues" problem. I don't think it'll be as wild as everyone expects. Based on the April shots we saw, they may be using that front "nose" for better aero, which is always a good thing in my book.
Agreed.

I think I'll still hold out for the new chassis, though. Then I'll decide if I want to continue with the Mustang. The Germans have been calling me recently...
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
While the Camaro does have a much larger engine in terms of displacement, the 5.0L Coyote more than holds its own, even though it's down a bit in terms of output and size. The fact the Mustang is a couple hundred pounds lighter doesn't hurt, either, although I have to admit that I haven't seen a 1/2 mile race comparison between the two cars (or any car for that matter), so you may be right. Something tells me the higher-revving Coyote would fare better, though.
The 5.0 is awesome don't get me wrong but looking 1/2 mile numbers we begin to see there is no replacement for displacement.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 94gt
The 5.0 is awesome don't get me wrong but looking 1/2 mile numbers we begin to see there is no replacement for displacement.
And may I ask you just where during your daily commute, or even a road race session, are you going flat out WOT for a half mile in a straight line?
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 12:27 AM
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I am contemplating on a 2013 gt500 purchase in place of my 2011 5.0. The only thing that has stopped me from buying a 2012 that is sitting at my local dealer is all this speculation and rumor talk.
With that being said I don't anticipate the gt500 will have the huge HP gain people are thinking. I would say Ford might bump it up a little but the 2015 will most likely get the biggest improvement since it's the anniversary year.
I wish we had a ford secret agent employee on this site that could shed some light and verify some facts for us.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 05:23 AM
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What about price then?
As I know it will start with 60k!!!
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 05:38 AM
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Hmm.. interesting.
It's pretty common to see styling cues flow "down hill" from high performance variants to the more humble models. The last generations of Firebird/Trans Ams saw this, as did the Mustangs, come to think of it.

I will take a serious look next year at trading up. I am thrilled with my 2011...but if they fix issues with the MT-82 and provide more horsepower as well...they may have a customer here.

The question will be about HOW they get more horsepower. If they're merely tuning the current equipment to run even closer to its breaking point (rather than upgrading the quality of the pistons for example), for get it. We could have done that ourselves.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 06:00 AM
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I can't justify a minor body tweak and minimal power gains to go out and trade up. I'll wait and see if the '15 is a major change, then look into a '16 to replace the '11.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Kpd3014
I would say Ford might bump it up a little but the 2015 will most likely get the biggest improvement since it's the anniversary year.
History lesson from Ford with respect to anniversary Mustangs:
  • 1984 20th Anniversary "GT350" white/red models. Standard 5.0L H.O. V8. No horsepower bump.
  • 1989-1990 Mustangs with the "25 Years" dash plaque (no real anniversary model offered). No horsepower bump.
  • 1994 was the 30th Anniversary, but no anniversary model offered, although it was the first year of the SN95 platform. Same 5.0L V8 and no horsepower bump from the Fox Body '93's.
  • 1999 was the 35th Anniversary and the first year of the SN95 "New Edge" models, and yes, finally a long overdue horsepower bump with the PI heads on the 4.6L 2V V8 (260 vs 215 for the '98's).
  • 2004 was the 40th Anniversary, but no power bump.
  • 2009 was the 45th Anniversary, but no power bump.
So, 5 out of 6 anniversary milestones came and went without any kind of bump in power. And while it's still possible that the '15's may get a power bump, it wouldn't be just because of an anniversary.
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