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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 04:31 AM
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I have no doubt that companies (even ford) have stuffed a 6.2 in the Mustang.

I just can't see them actually doing anything production with it, not at this point.
Its a big heavy boat anchor by comparison.
He might have been referring to the R&D 777 Mustang drag car Roush had. It was a 7.0L version of the Boss V8.
I too doubt that we will see any version of this engine in any Mustang. The only way you could make the case for the bigger motor would be if it had an aluminum block and maybe 4V heads. No way they are going to spend the resources to develop parts like that when the 5.0L will be everything most people want and they can add forced induction in some form if need be to compete with GM and Dodge.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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All in all, I believe if it gets 400 it will be AT LEAST as quick as the camaro if not quicker. I think that if they keep it in the 300's it will lose sales to the v6 (for obvious reasons). With 315 horsepower though, it was keeping up with the camaro. So, with 400... yup...
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchell Colvin
All in all, I believe if it gets 400 it will be AT LEAST as quick as the camaro if not quicker. I think that if they keep it in the 300's it will lose sales to the v6 (for obvious reasons). With 315 horsepower though, it was keeping up with the camaro. So, with 400... yup...
The 2010 GT does not keep up with the Camaro, at all, in acceleration. Not even close. To 125MPH it loses by over 9 seconds. Please show me a 2010 GT off the showroom floor turning 12.9's the was the SS does please.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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I was talking about on a track. Not just drag racing. In the Sep '09 edition of "Automobile" they an SS and GT driven by David Donohue and PJ Jones. They mentioned that the GT was more nimble in the turns but the SS had the power to leave it in the straights and pull harder leaving the turns. Jones said that he was able to keep up for the most part with the SS but could only make a pass if Donohue makes a mistake. The point I was getting to is that if this could be achieved with 315 hp, 400 should definitely be enough to take it.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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It's achieved with low weight, not power =) Physics are physics. The Camaro suspension and chassis are superior, the 350 lbs of extra weight are not.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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With the Ti VCT of the 5.0L motor I think we will see similar hp numbers that the 3.7L is putting down. If the 3.7L V6 is making 305hp or just at 82.4hp/litre that extrapolates to 412hp for the 5.0L V8 with the same hardware. A nice 91-93 octane tune and some high flow metallic cats and we will see an easy 15-20hp more out of this car

We should have similar hp/weight ratio as that of the E92 M3 with the Mustang making more torque but the V8 powerplant in the M3 having a much higher rpm capability which gearing can now be taken advantage of. I expect mid to high 12's at 113mph...any wages anyone?

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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:39 PM
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Wonder what octane the car will be rated for with factory tune.

I sure wish I could get 93, California 91 is crap.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
It's achieved with low weight, not power =) Physics are physics. The Camaro suspension and chassis are superior, the 350 lbs of extra weight are not.
Right, so if the mustang preserves it's relatively low weight (compared to the camaro) and gains a lot of power it should put up times as impressive, if not more, as the SS. Both at the track and on the strip.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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No doubt. The Camaro is an ugly car but has an impressive powertrain/chassis. Too bad the rest of the car sucks.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
It's achieved with low weight, not power =) Physics are physics. The Camaro suspension and chassis are superior, the 350 lbs of extra weight are not.


What the Camaro needs is more aggressive tires. The weight of the car and only running a 245 front tires is hurting the cars handling. This car needs a 275 front tire as well due to the weight of the car. I don't know why with its' 50/50 weight distribution it isn't running a more square setup. Manafactuers are running staggered setups for looks more than for performance reasons. The BMW M3 also does this. The only car that I can really think of that needs the staggered setup off the top of my head is the Porsche 911 with its 33/67 weight distribution.

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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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I cry when I look at my stock tires, both size and model
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
Wonder what octane the car will be rated for with factory tune.

I sure wish I could get 93, California 91 is crap.
I know its speculation..but according to people who I talked to said 87 octane. In fact look at the 3.7L V6 making 82.4hp/litre on 87 octane.

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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
It's achieved with low weight, not power =) Physics are physics. The Camaro suspension and chassis are superior, the 350 lbs of extra weight are not.
The 350lb of weight certainly hurts Zeta, that said I can't agree that the chassis and suspension of the same are superior to D2C at the moment. Regarding the chassis, D2C is rigid as Hades and lightweight too, to be blunt you can't ask for much more than that. Zeta is rigid enough, but it isn't lightweight and doesn't seem to bring anything to the table in terms of rigidity that D2C doesn;t bring as well.

Regarding the suspension, on paper the setup sounds great, but GM has yet to coax any of it's Zeta based offerings into a level of handling that causes serious pause. G8/Commodore do well enough, but they aren't really jaw droppers and they represent the best sorted Zeta offerings thus far. It could just be a case of unrealized potential, but until somebody at GM manages a package that works a great deal better than any of the existing Zeta offerings I don't think we can really declare it superior.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
What the Camaro needs is more aggressive tires. The weight of the car and only running a 245 front tires is hurting the cars handling. This car needs a 275 front tire as well due to the weight of the car. I don't know why with its' 50/50 weight distribution it isn't running a more square setup. Manafactuers are running staggered setups for looks more than for performance reasons. The BMW M3 also does this. The only car that I can really think of that needs the staggered setup off the top of my head is the Porsche 911 with its 33/67 weight distribution.

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Agreed, Every time I read a review of the Camaro SS I think to myself 'this car needs wider front rubber and stiffer rear springs'. Just how much those simple fixes would help the Camaro's handling is obviously up for debate, but without doubt they would have to help somewhat.
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by eci
The 2010 GT does not keep up with the Camaro, at all, in acceleration. Not even close. To 125MPH it loses by over 9 seconds. Please show me a 2010 GT off the showroom floor turning 12.9's the was the SSdoes please.

ROFL,426HP, I think that's the fastest time they've ran stock.

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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 07:08 AM
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Yeah if they were driven perfectly EVERY time....
but most are not hitting that consistantly (stock)

Modded, different story.
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 07:12 AM
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I cry when I look at my stock tires, both size and model
You may have previously address this . . . but why not upgrade wheels and/or tires?
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by eci
I cry when I look at my stock tires, both size and model
Actually the 9.5" wheel up front is a good start..I would just go with a 275/35/19 tire up front and that would mitigate alot of the push these cars have. I love the look of the 2010 GT500 wheel. I would just get the rear widened a tad to get a 305 supported out back. I cringe when I see a 305 tire on a stock 9.5" wheel, the sidewall looks like Kirstie Allie trying to fit into a bikini.

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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jsaylor
Agreed, Every time I read a review of the Camaro SS I think to myself 'this car needs wider front rubber and stiffer rear springs'. Just how much those simple fixes would help the Camaro's handling is obviously up for debate, but without doubt they would have to help somewhat.
Exactly, all the reviews I read is the car doesn't pivot well on turn in...wider rubber up front would definitely help this along with the stiffer rear spring. The stiffer rear spring though will take a toll on ride quality. Most people think the front spring affects ride quality when its actually the rear spring.

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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Capri
You may have previously address this . . . but why not upgrade wheels and/or tires?
Love the rims Sadly 285 is pretty much maxxed out on a 9.5" rim. This car should have shipped with 11" rears like the Z06.
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