2011 5.0 dyno numbers???
11/12/09, 01:17 PM
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I agree that if it is true, it is probably without certain accesories. It could also be a possible Boss 302 tune which could be somewhere in the 425-440 hp range and not the GT version of the engine.
BTW here is a new pic that I haven't seen posted yet of the Coyote being tested in some F150s:
BTW here is a new pic that I haven't seen posted yet of the Coyote being tested in some F150s:
11/12/09, 01:34 PM
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I agree that if it is true, it is probably without certain accesories. It could also be a possible Boss 302 tune which could be somewhere in the 425-440 hp range and not the GT version of the engine.
BTW here is a new pic that I haven't seen posted yet of the Coyote being tested in some F150s:
BTW here is a new pic that I haven't seen posted yet of the Coyote being tested in some F150s:
11/12/09, 04:42 PM
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People are dreaming if they think the "base GT" 5.0L will have 425HP at close to current GT pricing. I'm sticking with my guess of a 375HP GT engine and a 400+ SE model coming out later.
The LS3 engine in the Corvette is a hell of an engine with 1.2L more displacement than the 5.0L. 436HP. The whole " but it's an ancient pushrod engine!! " argument is invalid. The LS series isn't like a wimpy 2V modular. There is just no way that a mass produced 425 HP 5.0L engine with a "reliability tune" and "reliability parts for 60,000 mile warranty" will find it's way into a $28,000 car. Small displacement, high HP naturally aspirated engines are in $75,000 cars like the M3 and rev to 8300 RPM.
The LS3 engine in the Corvette is a hell of an engine with 1.2L more displacement than the 5.0L. 436HP. The whole " but it's an ancient pushrod engine!! " argument is invalid. The LS series isn't like a wimpy 2V modular. There is just no way that a mass produced 425 HP 5.0L engine with a "reliability tune" and "reliability parts for 60,000 mile warranty" will find it's way into a $28,000 car. Small displacement, high HP naturally aspirated engines are in $75,000 cars like the M3 and rev to 8300 RPM.
11/12/09, 05:21 PM
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People are dreaming if they think the "base GT" 5.0L will have 425HP at close to current GT pricing. I'm sticking with my guess of a 375HP GT engine and a 400+ SE model coming out later.
The LS3 engine in the Corvette is a hell of an engine with 1.2L more displacement than the 5.0L. 436HP. The whole " but it's an ancient pushrod engine!! " argument is invalid. The LS series isn't like a wimpy 2V modular. There is just no way that a mass produced 425 HP 5.0L engine with a "reliability tune" and "reliability parts for 60,000 mile warranty" will find it's way into a $28,000 car. Small displacement, high HP naturally aspirated engines are in $75,000 cars like the M3 and rev to 8300 RPM.
The LS3 engine in the Corvette is a hell of an engine with 1.2L more displacement than the 5.0L. 436HP. The whole " but it's an ancient pushrod engine!! " argument is invalid. The LS series isn't like a wimpy 2V modular. There is just no way that a mass produced 425 HP 5.0L engine with a "reliability tune" and "reliability parts for 60,000 mile warranty" will find it's way into a $28,000 car. Small displacement, high HP naturally aspirated engines are in $75,000 cars like the M3 and rev to 8300 RPM.
11/12/09, 05:24 PM
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11/12/09, 05:33 PM
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People are dreaming if they think the "base GT" 5.0L will have 425HP at close to current GT pricing. I'm sticking with my guess of a 375HP GT engine and a 400+ SE model coming out later.
The LS3 engine in the Corvette is a hell of an engine with 1.2L more displacement than the 5.0L. 436HP. The whole " but it's an ancient pushrod engine!! " argument is invalid. The LS series isn't like a wimpy 2V modular. There is just no way that a mass produced 425 HP 5.0L engine with a "reliability tune" and "reliability parts for 60,000 mile warranty" will find it's way into a $28,000 car. Small displacement, high HP naturally aspirated engines are in $75,000 cars like the M3 and rev to 8300 RPM.
The LS3 engine in the Corvette is a hell of an engine with 1.2L more displacement than the 5.0L. 436HP. The whole " but it's an ancient pushrod engine!! " argument is invalid. The LS series isn't like a wimpy 2V modular. There is just no way that a mass produced 425 HP 5.0L engine with a "reliability tune" and "reliability parts for 60,000 mile warranty" will find it's way into a $28,000 car. Small displacement, high HP naturally aspirated engines are in $75,000 cars like the M3 and rev to 8300 RPM.
And a E90 M3 starts at just under $55K. The only way you're going to break $75K on a M3 is if you get a E92 with every available option. As proud as BMW must be over the profit margins on their cars, I don't think that makes a convincing argument that a Mustang GT couldn't come with a 400 HP NA V8 from the factory. For $30K.
Or less.
11/12/09, 06:28 PM
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I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the car to come with at least 400 HP at all.
And a E90 M3 starts at just under $55K. The only way you're going to break $75K on a M3 is if you get a E92 with every available option. As proud as BMW must be over the profit margins on their cars, I don't think that makes a convincing argument that a Mustang GT couldn't come with a 400 HP NA V8 from the factory. For $30K.
Or less.
And a E90 M3 starts at just under $55K. The only way you're going to break $75K on a M3 is if you get a E92 with every available option. As proud as BMW must be over the profit margins on their cars, I don't think that makes a convincing argument that a Mustang GT couldn't come with a 400 HP NA V8 from the factory. For $30K.
Or less.
11/12/09, 07:35 PM
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Oh please. Yeah dude, I'm totally worried. I mean, I could never afford a 2011 GT. I'd be crushed. The SVT cars are *always* better than the GT's, fact. No matter what you do to a GT, it is a GT. If you can spend $5k on the new GT and put 750 to the wheels on pump gas, reliably, I'll be impressed. You sound like one of the dorks who mods a fox body to run 11's and thinks it bothers people like me. I can make a civic smoke a 2011 GT as well as my GT500. Who cares. The Cobra is the better, cooler car. There are plenty of modded stangs faster than a stock GT500. I don't care. Do you think if I get beat by ratty *** 2004 Mustang GT with a bunch of mods I'd prefer to own his car? LOL. By 2012 I will be tired of seeing 30 2011 GT's on the way to work. If that's your thing, cool. It's going to be a cool car, with less power than you all think. Thinking it holds a candle to an SVT is just dumb and shows jealously. Keep hatin' buddy. When you get your 2011 GT, throw a few mods on it and see if you can lay down mid 11's with slicks like a stock GT500 can. =)
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11/12/09, 07:43 PM
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I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the car to come with at least 400 HP at all.
And a E90 M3 starts at just under $55K. The only way you're going to break $75K on a M3 is if you get a E92 with every available option. As proud as BMW must be over the profit margins on their cars, I don't think that makes a convincing argument that a Mustang GT couldn't come with a 400 HP NA V8 from the factory. For $30K.
Or less.
And a E90 M3 starts at just under $55K. The only way you're going to break $75K on a M3 is if you get a E92 with every available option. As proud as BMW must be over the profit margins on their cars, I don't think that makes a convincing argument that a Mustang GT couldn't come with a 400 HP NA V8 from the factory. For $30K.
Or less.
Bookmarking thread, I am going to laugh my *** of when all of your expectations fail. It's going to be a special edition Mustang with a high revving, high HP Coyote. Not a $28k GT. Base model GT gets the lowest powered Coyote ( there are 4 different versions of the engine )
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11/12/09, 08:01 PM
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I don't see why Ford couldn't do it if GM already did it. Sales are way down, they need to come up with something very attractive, and that solution is the 400HP mark. Body style isn't changing, so they don't have the choice . I'm very surprised that we havent heard, seen any new info about that new engine being tested in the Mustang, something has to leaked SOONNNNNNNNNN.
A concerning thing about this new engine is how moddable it will be. It will not be blower friendly if it has 11:1 C/R. What else can you do? Heads? Cams? Won't exist for a few years. I'm looking at it with logic, not fanboyism like the guy flaming my GT500 a few posts up.
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I heard the new Challenger in exploding Fiat form will be totally faster!
11/12/09, 08:13 PM
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11/12/09, 10:13 PM
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I'm sticking with my guess of a 375HP GT engine and a 400+ SE model coming out later.
Base model GT gets the lowest powered Coyote ( there are 4 different versions of the engine )
Hrm... so I guess the F-150 and GT will be the same engine/power/tune... who knew
and 4 different versions of the coyote..might want to be reworded a bit differently than that.
Not that lots of GT owners will be ticked when a 2011 is faster,
but there will be just as many GT500 owners in the next few years that could feel the same way. The 2011+ will always be lighter.. hehe
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11/12/09, 10:18 PM
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No....nyahhhh
I'm sorry, people like keeping their jobs.
And not everyone 'in the know' is... well...in the know...
It's kinda like the telephone game sometimes.
I'm sorry, people like keeping their jobs.
And not everyone 'in the know' is... well...in the know...
It's kinda like the telephone game sometimes.
11/12/09, 10:22 PM
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I think the 5.0L is great but severely overhyped. People think they will be getting GT500 performance out of $28k GT which is hilarious. I saw a post where a guy said a good comparo will be the Corvette GS. LOL.