2010 Compared to 1969-70's
11/22/08, 02:22 AM
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So why does Ford consider the 67-70, and 71-73's as sportsroof models. And if the term sportsroof, is not another name for fastback. Then what exactly, is the difference between them ?
11/22/08, 02:37 AM
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You misused the word "true" not me. Your use of the word implies anything not "true" to your personal definition is not legitimate or not honest which is clearly not the case for any Mustang fastback. Don't get mad at me because you make poor choices in wording and don't expect others to interpet your meaning if you misuse them.
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11/22/08, 03:17 AM
#83
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Ford coined the marketing designation "Sports Roof" (which was used starting in 1969, not before) which is another name for their fastback much like "Runabout" was a coined term for the Pinto 3-door hatchback.
The Sports Roof designation was created to emphasize the dramatically more horizontal positioning of the rear window and higher deck. The Sports Roof models came about after proposals for 1969 were created with nearly wagon-like rear rooflines. The rooflines were dropped much lower for production models but created a dramatically different look than before. When it was time to develop proposals for the 1971 models, another wagon-like "Kammback" design was created which resulted in using an even more horizontal positioning of the rear window and raising of the rear deck. Ultimately this resulted in a much criticized heavy overgrown look.
The 1967 Mustang fastback was developed into a full-fastback to suggest performance influenced by the competition car the Ford GT. By the end of the 1960's most of Ford's larger car line models included a fastback roof bodystyle on it's two door models, including the Torino, Thunderbird and the Ford Galaxie 500 XL.
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11/22/08, 03:26 AM
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Nowhere did I say the Ford coined marketing designation "Sports Roof" (which was used starting in 1969, not before) was not another name for a Fastback. However the Sports Roof designation was created to emphasize the dramatically more horizontal positioning of the rear window and higher deck. The Sports Roof models came about after proposals for 1969 were created with nearly wagon-like rear rooflines. The rooflines were dropped much lower for production models but created a dramatically different look than before. When it was time to develop proposals for the 1971 models, another wagon-like "Kammback" design was created which resulted in using an even more horizontal positioning of the rear window and raising of the rear deck. Ultimately this resulted in a much criticized heavy overgrown look.
The 1967 Mustang fastback was developed into a full-fastback to suggest performance influenced by the competition car the Ford GT. By the end of the 1960's most of Ford's larger car line models included a fastback roof bodystyle on it's two door models, including the Torino, Thunderbird and the Ford Galaxie 500 XL.
The 1967 Mustang fastback was developed into a full-fastback to suggest performance influenced by the competition car the Ford GT. By the end of the 1960's most of Ford's larger car line models included a fastback roof bodystyle on it's two door models, including the Torino, Thunderbird and the Ford Galaxie 500 XL.
It's really sad that will probably never see the likes of these cars, ever again.
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11/22/08, 03:33 AM
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11/22/08, 03:41 AM
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As they're very rare, here in the northeast. In which I've only seen 2 of them, at my local car cruise events.
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11/22/08, 04:44 AM
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11/22/08, 06:04 AM
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11/22/08, 06:08 AM
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I AGREE TOO.. The best part of the new stang(which everyone seems to be NOT talking about) is the interior., gorgous..
Or in the case of the rear end which looks like it has an obsession with plastic surgery turned bad... She and the back of the new Mustang do kinda favor with the cat eye taillamps, sunken in cheeks vs. lopped bumper corners, bulbous lips and chin vs. the black valance diaper full of poo...
11/22/08, 06:11 AM
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the bottom line is..
05-09's took cues from classic mustangs and did it well. The 10's took cues from Japanese automobile designs and did not do it well. sorry..
You will see that in the future the 05-09's will stand the test of time. and the 10's won't
05-09's took cues from classic mustangs and did it well. The 10's took cues from Japanese automobile designs and did not do it well. sorry..
You will see that in the future the 05-09's will stand the test of time. and the 10's won't
11/22/08, 06:45 AM
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As fastback is any vehicle in which the roofline and rear glass tapers down to the rear at a more acute angle or a much faster slope than most conventional coupes or 2-door sedans. It doesn't matter whether it tapers into the front of the decklid or all the way back to the taillamp panel.
TampaBear was talking about "TRUE" fastbacks. I posted a picture of a '68 Mustang that is a true fastback. If a fastback doesn't look like that, then it's not a TRUE fastback design.
11/22/08, 06:53 AM
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As WatchDevil Stated, a Fastback is Defined by The Degree of the Angle of the Rear Window/Roof Line, Not whether it goes to the Leading or Trailing Edge of The Trunk. It is the Fast Degree of Angle that Gave the Fastback it's Name in the First Place, Going all the way back to 1940's Cadillac's.
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Just because something looks sorta similar to a fastback profile doesn't mean it's really a true fastback. Just like some of those 4-door sedans with coupe styling. Are they coupes? No, of course not. But they have coupe-like styling.
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11/22/08, 06:54 AM
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11/22/08, 09:28 AM
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), I'm fairly confident that both designs will do equally well in this arena. At least the 2010+ cars will still have their interiors intact.
11/22/08, 09:33 AM
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You guys have your opinions, as do we all. This Debate over Fastback Vs. Non Fastback has Become Over Blown and Ridiculous. Most cars on the road today are Fastbacks as that is the Aerodynamically Superior Shape. You are just Hung Up on the past and cannot let go of the Extreme Fastback styling of the 67-71's. I LOVE THEM TOO!
Unfortunately they will never be repeated as Ford has to consider costs and making a completely different Rear Section, ie: Trunk and Quarter Panels, for the Fastback/Coupe and the Convertible is Cost Prohibitive.
I am Done Rehashing This, I Quit! It's Just not Fair Having a Battle of Wit's with an Unarmed Person.
Unfortunately they will never be repeated as Ford has to consider costs and making a completely different Rear Section, ie: Trunk and Quarter Panels, for the Fastback/Coupe and the Convertible is Cost Prohibitive.
I am Done Rehashing This, I Quit! It's Just not Fair Having a Battle of Wit's with an Unarmed Person.
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12/3/08, 09:27 PM
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He doesn't even know what a hardtop is... Sure a fixed roof coupe has a "hard metal top" but thats not the definition of what a hard top is... A hardtop is a fixed roof car with designed to resemble a convertible with a removable hardtop in place and all side windows down with no obstructing pillars.
This is what I meant, by hardtop. As a non-removable metal roof, also know as a notchback coupe.
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12/3/08, 10:29 PM
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What point ? Take a good look at your window sticker, as it clearly defines all 2005-09 hardtop models, as Coupes. NOT Fastbacks.
You called the current coupes (which feature ONLY a fastback roofline) "hardtops" in your quote when in fact they are not hardtops. Hardtops are fixed roofs made to look like convertibles with the top up or an optionally removable hardtop in place. There are no obstructions like door frames or B-pillars with all the side windows down. The original 2-door Mustang notchback was a hardtop. The original fastbacks were not hardtops as they were coupes with a large rear pillar with a triangular fixed glass. The same applies to the current coupes which do not need the term fastback as an adjective to describe it on the window sticker because there is no notchback coupe offered to get the two body styles confused.
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12/4/08, 12:02 AM
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You have taken yourself out of context. This is your quote that originated from my remark that you did not seem to know what a hardtop is:
No reference was made to notchbacks in this discussion about fastbacks.
You called the current coupes (which feature ONLY a fastback roofline) "hardtops" in your quote when in fact they are not hardtops. Hardtops are fixed roofs made to look like convertibles with the top up or an optionally removable hardtop in place. There are no obstructions like door frames or B-pillars with all the side windows down. The original 2-door Mustang notchback was a hardtop. The original fastbacks were not hardtops as they were coupes with a large rear pillar with a triangular fixed glass. The same applies to the current coupes which do not need the term fastback as an adjective to describe it on the window sticker because there is no notchback coupe offered to get the two body styles confused.
No reference was made to notchbacks in this discussion about fastbacks.
You called the current coupes (which feature ONLY a fastback roofline) "hardtops" in your quote when in fact they are not hardtops. Hardtops are fixed roofs made to look like convertibles with the top up or an optionally removable hardtop in place. There are no obstructions like door frames or B-pillars with all the side windows down. The original 2-door Mustang notchback was a hardtop. The original fastbacks were not hardtops as they were coupes with a large rear pillar with a triangular fixed glass. The same applies to the current coupes which do not need the term fastback as an adjective to describe it on the window sticker because there is no notchback coupe offered to get the two body styles confused.
Therefore, if I had just said Notchback Coupe instead. Perhaps this entire misinterpretation wouldn't have taken place to begin with.
I suppose my reason for not using that term, is that most refer to Notchbacks today, as non Hatchback models ala Fox Bodies.
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