2010 Compared to 1969-70's
11/21/08, 11:30 PM
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11/21/08, 11:30 PM
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BTW, for those who still don't know the difference, one look at this post illustrates the difference in the convex and concave taillights between the 69 and 70 models.
11/21/08, 11:37 PM
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I think both the '05 and '10 designs represent the early Mustangs equally well, it's just that each design interprets the cues in different ways. The former being more literal with its front and rear treatments yet stylized down the sides, while the latter is more stylized front and rear, but much more literal down the sides.
11/21/08, 11:50 PM
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[quote=m05fastbackGT;5690892]Well my friend, if your obviously unable to tell the difference between a true fastback greenhouse ala (67-73) over the 2+2 style fastback (65-66) and current (05-10) models. Then I strongly recommend that you not walk, but run to your nearest optometrist, as fast as you possibly can. For indeed, pictures do not lie.
And btw, if you had carefully read my post. You would've noticed that I clearly stated the 2005-2010 greenhouse, look far more like the 65-66 (2+2) style fastback !
As fastback is any vehicle in which the roofline and rear glass tapers down to the rear at a more acute angle or a much faster slope than most conventional coupes or 2-door sedans. It doesn't matter whether it tapers into the front of the decklid or all the way back to the taillamp panel.
Ford clearly defined the Mustang 2+2 as a fastback when it first appeared in 1965 not to mention there were precidents with the 60's Galaxie fastbacks that were created to be competitive in Nascar and a custom Thunderbird show car that was rendered as a fastback. The 1967-68 Mustang and 1968 Torino debuted a fastback bodystyle that extended all the way to the rear taillamp panel but that does not render any other fastback design being less true.
And btw, if you had carefully read my post. You would've noticed that I clearly stated the 2005-2010 greenhouse, look far more like the 65-66 (2+2) style fastback !
As fastback is any vehicle in which the roofline and rear glass tapers down to the rear at a more acute angle or a much faster slope than most conventional coupes or 2-door sedans. It doesn't matter whether it tapers into the front of the decklid or all the way back to the taillamp panel.
Ford clearly defined the Mustang 2+2 as a fastback when it first appeared in 1965 not to mention there were precidents with the 60's Galaxie fastbacks that were created to be competitive in Nascar and a custom Thunderbird show car that was rendered as a fastback. The 1967-68 Mustang and 1968 Torino debuted a fastback bodystyle that extended all the way to the rear taillamp panel but that does not render any other fastback design being less true.
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11/22/08, 12:06 AM
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I think both the '05 and '10 designs represent the early Mustangs equally well, it's just that each design interprets the cues in different ways. The former being more literal with its front and rear treatments yet stylized down the sides, while the latter is more stylized front and rear, but much more literal down the sides.
The 2010 is also including important elements of the Shelby GR1 fused with the 05-09 Mustang. I really like the GR1 and I like the bodysides of the 2010 just fine. The 2010 incorporated the nice front fender line that raises then trasitions into the beltline as a gentle dip that extends to the rear of the door. The nice wheel flairs are lifted from the GR1 also. Even the wheel design has been adapted.
However the back of the GR1 looks better than the 2010 Mustang. It looks more symetrical and balanced in the end areas that suggest taillamp shapes and looks really beautiful without the quirky bends on each end that spoil the new Mustang.
I can easily see the GR1 inspiring the next generation Mustang in a smaller lightweight package with that beautiful fastback roofline that goes all the way to the tail panel. I absolutely love the kicked up side window shape that reminds me of early 70's Torinos and Aussie Falcon Coupes. If the current rear quarter window shape has to go away, then the GR1 is the way to handle it...
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11/22/08, 12:30 AM
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As fastback is any vehicle in which the roofline and rear glass tapers down to the rear at a more acute angle or a much faster slope than most conventional coupes or 2-door sedans. It doesn't matter whether it tapers into the front of the decklid or all the way back to the taillamp panel.
Ford clearly defined the Mustang 2+2 as a fastback when it first appeared in 1965 not to mention there were precidents with the 60's Galaxie fastbacks that were created to be competitive in Nascar and a custom Thunderbird show car that was rendered as a fastback. The 1967-68 Mustang and 1968 Torino debuted a fastback bodystyle that extended all the way to the rear taillamp panel but that does not render any other fastback design being less true.
Ford clearly defined the Mustang 2+2 as a fastback when it first appeared in 1965 not to mention there were precidents with the 60's Galaxie fastbacks that were created to be competitive in Nascar and a custom Thunderbird show car that was rendered as a fastback. The 1967-68 Mustang and 1968 Torino debuted a fastback bodystyle that extended all the way to the rear taillamp panel but that does not render any other fastback design being less true.
Although Ford defined the Mustang 2+2 as a fastback, when first appearing in 1965. It was technically considered as a 2+2 coupe. Just as the current 2005-10 models, are also considered as 2+2 coupes.
In case you forgot, just take a good look at your window sticker. Which clearly lists all 2005-09 hardtop models as Coupes, and not Fastbacks !
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11/22/08, 12:49 AM
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What point ? Take a good look at your window sticker, as it clearly defines all 2005-09 hardtop models, as Coupes. NOT Fastbacks.
FYI, true fastbacks do not end before the decklid, nor do they have horizontal trunks. Only coupes have flat/horizontal decklids !
FYI, true fastbacks do not end before the decklid, nor do they have horizontal trunks. Only coupes have flat/horizontal decklids !
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11/22/08, 01:03 AM
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A Fastback Is A Coupe, a Coupe is Defined as being a Fixed Roof Two Door Car, regardless of Roofline. The 05-09's, and the 2010's, are referred to as Coupes on their Window Sticker because they are Not Convertibles, and if God Forbid, Ford Were to Ever Make a 4 Door Mustang, the Window Sticker Would Say Sedan.
As for the 65-66 Mustangs being called 2+2's simply has to do with the fact they were 4 place, Fastback, Sport Coupes. What differentiated the Mustang 2+2's from Mustang Hard tops is the fact that 3 could feasibly sit in the back seat of a Mustang Hardtop Coupe. The back seat in a 2+2's sat lower and were separated by a Hump cause by the transmission tunnel to provide head room in the Sloping Fastback Roofline much like the current Mustangs. The back seat in the 2+2 wasn't intended for use for anything more than short trips, or children to ride in, unlike the 65-73 Hartop's Coupes Flat Rear Cushion.
As WatchDevil Stated, a Fastback is Defined by The Degree of the Angle of the Rear Window/Roof Line, Not whether it goes to the Leading or Trailing Edge of The Trunk. It is the Fast Degree of Angle that Gave the Fastback it's Name in the First Place, Going all the way back to 1940's Cadillac's.
The True Irony is In Your Screen Name, m05fastbackGT. You're saying the Current 05-09's and 2010 aren't True Fastbacks, but Your Screen Name Implies Something Entirely Different.
Hummm?
As for the 65-66 Mustangs being called 2+2's simply has to do with the fact they were 4 place, Fastback, Sport Coupes. What differentiated the Mustang 2+2's from Mustang Hard tops is the fact that 3 could feasibly sit in the back seat of a Mustang Hardtop Coupe. The back seat in a 2+2's sat lower and were separated by a Hump cause by the transmission tunnel to provide head room in the Sloping Fastback Roofline much like the current Mustangs. The back seat in the 2+2 wasn't intended for use for anything more than short trips, or children to ride in, unlike the 65-73 Hartop's Coupes Flat Rear Cushion.
As WatchDevil Stated, a Fastback is Defined by The Degree of the Angle of the Rear Window/Roof Line, Not whether it goes to the Leading or Trailing Edge of The Trunk. It is the Fast Degree of Angle that Gave the Fastback it's Name in the First Place, Going all the way back to 1940's Cadillac's.
The True Irony is In Your Screen Name, m05fastbackGT. You're saying the Current 05-09's and 2010 aren't True Fastbacks, but Your Screen Name Implies Something Entirely Different.
Hummm?
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11/22/08, 01:14 AM
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11/22/08, 01:18 AM
#72
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Well its a shame so many of us are riding around in fake fastbacks because we don't have true ones... We have false ones...
11/22/08, 01:19 AM
#73
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A Fastback Is A Coupe, a Coupe is Defined as being a Fixed Roof Two Door Car, regardless of Roofline. The 05-09's, and the 2010's, are referred to as Coupes on their Window Sticker because they are Not Convertibles, and if God Forbid, Ford Were to Ever Make a 4 Door Mustang, the Window Sticker Would Say Sedan.
As for the 65-66 Mustangs being called 2+2's simply has to do with the fact they were 4 place, Fastback, Sport Coupes. What differentiated the Mustang 2+2's from Mustang Hard tops is the fact that 3 could feasibly sit in the back seat of a Mustang Hardtop Coupe. The back seat in a 2+2's sat lower and were separated by a Hump cause by the transmission tunnel to provide head room in the Sloping Fastback Roofline much like the current Mustangs. The back seat in the 2+2 wasn't intended for use for anything more than short trips, or children to ride in, unlike the 65-73 Hartop's Coupes Flat Rear Cushion.
As WatchDevil Stated, a Fastback is Defined by The Degree of the Angle of the Rear Window/Roof Line, Not whether it goes to the Leading or Trailing Edge of The Trunk. It is the Fast Degree of Angle that Gave the Fastback it's Name in the First Place, Going all the way back to 1940's Cadillac's.
The True Irony is In Your Screen Name, m05fastbackGT. You're saying the Current 05-09's and 2010 aren't True Fastbacks, but Your Screen Name Implies Something Entirely Different.
Hummm?
As for the 65-66 Mustangs being called 2+2's simply has to do with the fact they were 4 place, Fastback, Sport Coupes. What differentiated the Mustang 2+2's from Mustang Hard tops is the fact that 3 could feasibly sit in the back seat of a Mustang Hardtop Coupe. The back seat in a 2+2's sat lower and were separated by a Hump cause by the transmission tunnel to provide head room in the Sloping Fastback Roofline much like the current Mustangs. The back seat in the 2+2 wasn't intended for use for anything more than short trips, or children to ride in, unlike the 65-73 Hartop's Coupes Flat Rear Cushion.
As WatchDevil Stated, a Fastback is Defined by The Degree of the Angle of the Rear Window/Roof Line, Not whether it goes to the Leading or Trailing Edge of The Trunk. It is the Fast Degree of Angle that Gave the Fastback it's Name in the First Place, Going all the way back to 1940's Cadillac's.
The True Irony is In Your Screen Name, m05fastbackGT. You're saying the Current 05-09's and 2010 aren't True Fastbacks, but Your Screen Name Implies Something Entirely Different.
Hummm?
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11/22/08, 01:29 AM
#74
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He doesn't even know what a hardtop is... Sure a fixed roof coupe has a "hard metal top" but thats not the definition of what a hard top is... A hardtop is a fixed roof car with designed to resemble a convertible with a removable hardtop in place and all side windows down with no obstructing pillars.
Last edited by watchdevil; 11/22/08 at 01:37 AM.
11/22/08, 01:33 AM
#75
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The opposite of true is false and you cannot say any Mustang fastback other than 1967-73 fastbacks and sportroofs is not a fastback.. You can define it as a full fastback if it makes you feel better.
Last edited by watchdevil; 11/22/08 at 01:37 AM.
11/22/08, 01:51 AM
#76
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Black painted rockers do a fine job of lightening the look as opposed to the GT's body colored ones. I love how my Pony borrows the 1966 GT grille with foglamps while using the black mask in the headlamp bucket like the 1969 Boss 302. Triangular side quarter windows in the rear quarter pillar reflect the original 1965 2+2 fastback.
The exact original style of the 2+2 fastback looks like epiphany...
The exact original style of the 2+2 fastback looks like epiphany...
Last edited by watchdevil; 11/22/08 at 01:55 AM.
11/22/08, 01:53 AM
#77
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That being said, if so many of us are riding around in fake fastbacks, then obviously I must be driving around in a fake one as well, because like so many of us. I also don't have a real one either, but instead have a false one. "Yeah Right" get real
11/22/08, 02:05 AM
#78
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"Flowerpot" steering wheel hub with three bright spokes, cylindric extruded gauge bezels, browed instrument panel top with center dip & brushed aluminum accents, T-handle shifter. I have since painted my center stack bezel ultra silver to match. I just wish the center console looked as good as the classic and 2010 model.
11/22/08, 02:12 AM
#79
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He doesn't even know what a hardtop is... Sure a fixed roof coupe has a "hard metal top" but thats not the definition of what a hard top is... A hardtop is a fixed roof car with designed to resemble a convertible with a removable hardtop in place and all side windows down with no obstructing pillars.
At any rate: I now stand corrected, so why don't you go right ahead, and try to pick that one all apart as well. As it appears your pretty good, when it comes to putting words into people's mouths
11/22/08, 02:13 AM
#80
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You misused the word "true" not me. Your use of the word implies anything not "true" to your personal definition is not legitimate or not honest which is clearly not the case for any Mustang fastback. Don't get mad at me because you make poor choices in wording and don't expect others to interpet your meaning if you misuse them.
Last edited by watchdevil; 11/22/08 at 02:20 AM.