Well put.

 

Thank you Mark and Randy for expression exactly how I feel. You both put it perfect!

 

Well, let me chime in hear 1 more time. 1st, I stand by my original post. 2nd, I'm a avvid Mustang purist that loves modifying/customizing my Mustang. 3rd, I respect individual expressions of style and the personal preferences of others, even though I may not personally like some of them, but I admit it's hard for me to accept the ricers - but I'm trying.

That being said, this is America, Home of the Free and the greatest country in the world in my opinion. We can express ourselves as we see fit as long as it doesn't tread on someone else's rights or is unlawful. So long live the customizing and hot rodding of vehicles.

I have strong personal feelings, be they right or wrong for everyone else, in the areas of things being misrepresented, fake, etc. Hence my previous comments of labeling something that it's not and respecting "the real thing", etc.

Last but not least, the owners of the trademarked "names", etc that we all admire and respect are protective and passionate of those same "names", etc. Their lawful rights, (i.e. Mr. Shelby & Ford) should also be respected as we would want ours to be.

Even though this article is not technically about a vinyl sticker, emblem, etc. the principle is the same and could be enforced over minor items. If your interested it, see this Shelby Legal Article

Happy modding and no offense intended to anyone.

 

On that law suit that is exactly my point of selling a car for something its not for the purpose of financial gain.

Obviously people who put stripes and badges on their 05/06 mustangs to create something that doesn't exist (05 Mach, 05 GT350 05 Boss etc), are not doing so to make a "look alike" because they don't look like anything that ever existed.

I would only have a problem with it if they tried to sell it as a "rare 2005 Mach 1" to an ignorant buyer.

 

 

While I happen to agree with "don't put down a hotrodders individuality" I find the obvious double standard quite ironic. And, these comments are not directly stated towards you or anyone else in particular -- just boards as a whole.

Show an import with vinyl of any kind, false badges, etc. and the boards light up with comments of "how ugly", "what a piece of rice" and "how could they do that to the car" etc.

Show an american car with vinyl of any kind, false badges, etc., it "oh, cool"

I am not saying this to anyone directly, just an observation of the hypocracy of the boards (not the individuals). Maybe it is just the nature of boards in the first place?

Not that it matters too much to me anyway, I just don't like double standards and "dometicism" (if you will). Maybe we should all applaud the imports for the individuality as well instead of jumping on them for being rice?

Like that is going to happen.

 

Sorry, just trying to understand this train of thought. If they don't sell your car, than it is fine? Aren't they presenting a certain type of vehicle to the world on a daily basis? The people who see it, aren't they going to think it is that type of car?

For example....
Next year, some V6 pulls up with GT500 stipes on its rocker and get's blown away by a 350Z (for arguments sake). And he, not knowing the intimate details of Mustangs goes around saying he dusted a GT500. This isn't a poretentially bad thing? Isn't that defacing the real thing (in effect)?

 

My point was that I would only have an issue with someone having Mach 1 on a GT/V6 would be if they tried to sell it as the real thing. This could only occur on model years (or body styles) in which Ford actually made the Mach 1. This is not a possibility on a 2005/2006 because there is no such thing as a 2005 Mach 1. Therefore it's a non issue.

Personally I don't really care if someone thinks they beat a GT500 (real or not). It's just on my radar scope of cares or concerns. The same guy in your example could come on the boards and lie that he blew the doors off a real GT-500.

This is in no way meant to denegrate those who do care about such things. Good for them for taking an interest in it.

 

You know I 'used' to be against any clones....but I realized how stupid that is. If clones are disrespecting the originals, then why are cobra clones, 65-67 shelby clones, and, let us not forget, CONTINUATION Shelby's going for SO MUCH MONEY? And except for a little grumbling over the price of the continuation series, NO ONE is dissing these guys. Is it because they cost so much or because his 'Holiness' Carrol Shelby has blessed them. Or is there some kind of double standard here? The day when we got mad for a guy who has the 69' coupe with shelby stickers on it are over...even 69 plain jane coupes are either (1) rusted, wrecked, crushed, and destroyed OR (2) restored and worth a small fortune in their own right. Not to mention all the 'wonderful' Shelby's made in the 80's (which are both loved and hated). Who make up the "clone" rules? :angry:

Personally if you take the time AND money to make a Mach 1 or Boss clone then put it on the car. It has been pointed out...the 05 (with about $2k in mods) can dance circles around these cars...which does not mean I wouldn't sacrifice a reproductive part to own a real BOSSS or Shelby but its not going to happen with 4 kids going to college on my salary. I can see someone whos spends 24k on GT and about 2-3k more to make it a Shelby clone or Boss clone...for about half the going rate. I have seen AWESOME 05 shelby clones lately...they rival the "coolness" of even real shelby's. Show me a real shelby that will run 12's that costs less than 30 grand.


It's time we stop beating the innocents (like Elanor's snakes) and start welcoming all the new mustanger's into the fold. If they want to fix it up and make it a Boss clone, sit in their dark garages, and pretend they are Speed Racer...who cares....they are one of us. They may be like my cousin Jeff who has a habit rolling his glass eye backwards....strange...but he's still my cousin...ya know?

Jay

 

Mark, I know what you mean. At 1 point I had GT 350 on my car but that was to say it was a GT and 350 HP. Most people knew that but you would get the odd FORD guy that hated it. I do get some people giving me a hard time for putting "Shelby" stripes on my car, to which I remind them how long stripes have been around and how many cars have had them, not just FORDS.
Now I have people upset at me because I installed a Shaker system. Since when did I ever try to pass my car off as a Mach 1, Cobra or anything other than a GT? I love how people claim I am trying to mimic a 2007 Cobra buy having stripes on my car. Ah, der, my car had stripes on it a long time before FORD even released the cobra concept.

Some people are just a waste of space on this planet.

 

Is it the owner's perogative to do whatever they want? Sure.

Am I going to roll my eyes at a V6 that's striped, spoilered, and badged up like a Mach 1? You bet I am.

Sorry for that, and it's not that I'm worried about passing it off as something it's not or even "ricer" mentality. It just smacks of "poser" to me.

---Urban Dictionary---
"Poseur (alt. spelling) is a derogatory label for an individual who seeks to identify with a particular subculture not because they have taken on its shared values but because they seek to gain social status within the culture or to gain the status associated with it. The word can mean, quite literally, "one who strikes poses". Essentially, a poser is a person trying to be something they are not, which ultimately makes them considered a "fake"."
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To add some perspective to this, in the classic circles I'm used to hanging in, clones, be they Shelby, Mach 1, or other are an eccepted part of the hobby under 2 conditions:
1) that the car not be passed off/marketed as an authentic original.
2) that the performance of the car be as good or better than what it is cloned from. For instance: it's not necessary that a 66 Shelby clone be equipped with a K code Hi-Po 289, but it had at least equal, if not surpass the performance of that rare K code Hi-Po 289, which can be done with a mildly hot rodded (and common) 302/5.0.

If someone were to build a Shelby clone, but retain a 200ci straight six, they would not recieve any respect in the classic Mustang community. It's not about snobbery, it's about paying homage to the original without half-arsing it. Any fool can throw a badge or sticker on a car. It takes a craftsman/hobbiest to take the time and resources to do it right. That's the kind of thing that earns respect.

 

But they are not "faking" a 2005 Boss or a 2005 Shelby becaust THEY DON'T EXCIST!!!!!!

And the only people who actually use "poser" as an adjective don't even know what adjective means....or that their pants are supposed to be 'above' thier cheeks...not under them

I ask you....what is the difference between this and all the "Cobra" cars out there? All the "Eleanor's" out there? and God forbid, the "Continuation" series mustangs and cobra's ????? How come no one is dissing them....All you hear is how the "pay homage to badge"

Jay

 

Sorry, I was editing my post to add more when you replied. I know what an adjective is, but the term exists, which is why I used an Urban Dictionary. It may not be the Queen's english, but it get's the point across. No, a 2005 Boss, Shelby, or Mach 1 doesn't exist, but it is paying homage to a car that was never equipped with a 6 cyl.

Don't think for a second that nobody isn't "dissing" (uh oh, is that urban slang you're using? ) Eleanors. But that's a whole other debate. To quickly sum up, refer to the last couple paragraphs of my original post, and add to that the travesty of giving actual Shelby VINs to cars that weren't originally equipped with them. I call that wrong, but Unique performance's bank account suggests that baseball players and stars of "American Chopper" have no problem with it.

Anyway, back to the original debate...

 

Ok...you got me on the "diss"...and I agree about the continuation cars with the serialized VIN.

So..er...what was the original debate? :scratch:

Jay

 

Ok...I read your re-edited post and I can see you made the "exact" same point I made but you used a different way of describing it. Your points 1 and 2 are what I was talking about.

And if you just put a sticker kit on....then that's about all the respect your gonna get...

Jay

 

LMAO! I forgot what we were talking about. :scratch:

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Ok...I read your re-edited post and I can see you made the "exact" same point I made but you used a different way of describing it. Your points 1 and 2 are what I was talking about.
And if you just put a sticker kit on....then that's about all the respect your gonna get...
Jay

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Great minds Jay... Great minds.

 

Wow. Interesting discussion. I didn't know there was so much passion for the classic-sacred-marques-of-past-Fords. It is of particular interest to me since I am in the process of "Shelbyizing" my 05 GT. Sort of. The style will be honored, but I shall fall short of "poseur" status, I hope. Anyway, I'm putting snakes on my fenders whether anyone else likes it or not, but I hope they will. With GT300 stripes, the GT badge is just redundant, and the snakes go with the overall theme. It is really interesting to note that the "Favorite Modded Mustangs" survey (wouldn't you know it, now that I want to create a link, I can't find the thread) included somewhere on these forums lists VegasJays and Acadians cars very highly as favorites. Justin actually has the SHELBY letters across his decklid, and Ian boldly named his car "Shelby". I guess we on this forum all know what is real and what is a tribute, and knowing that, we can appreciate lookalikes. I know I do. I even like some poseurs!

But not rice!

BTW, I like the LL Mach 1. (Is that what you were talking about?)

 

You may consider these as an alternative:
Cobra/Shelby.

http://www.cobranda.com/GetItemDetail.asp?...=6&ItemID=19486

They were on the 65-66 Shelbys (gas cap, steering wheel), and that way there would be no confusion that you were trying to pass your car off as a modern SVT Cobra/Shelby. (Also known as Fobra or Fauxbra)

These same emblems also came with dealer-available "Cobra dress up kits" that included valve covers, an air cleaner and a medallion that could be affixed anywhere on your (then) new Mustang.

 

Not to argue with my brethren moderator but...1974 Mach 1s had V-6s.

So, not to be a poser Mach 1, you only to have the performance of a 171cid/2.8L 2V V-6 105 hp 1974 Mach 1.

Even a 1973 Mach 1 could be had with a 302ci putting out a measely 141HP. 59 less than an 05 V-6.


Or how about the raw power of a 1979 Cobra? 140hp V-8? As long a my mustang has a Cobra badge and more than 140Hp, I'm ok?

Maybe the guy in the first post of this thread was modeling his car after a 1974 Mach 1

I'm just being a smart ___ but these were official Ford products with "Mach 1" and "Cobra" on them.

Just stirring the pot.

 

Ahhhh, touché! Very nice, score AFBLUE with a technicality.

That being the case, I think we can all agree that the Machs, Bosses, and Shelbys are all coveted and admired as performance cars, something the venerable Mustang II can never claim. Don't get me wrong, I've always had a soft spot for the little car that kept the name plate alive, but I seriously doubt there are going to be any graphics-packed Cobra II themed 05+ Mustangs out there.

I shall consider the pot stirred sir. You have proven yourself a worthy adversary, and I salute you. :tex: