UAW workers in Chicago reject Ford deal, strike possible
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
But Ford made GREAT business decisions... and ARE being hindered by union demands.
With GM & Chrysler getting the government teat and wiping out all their debt, that puts Ford fighting/competing with one arm tied behind their back - yet Ford was the responsible one - and continues to be responsible in paying down its (substantial) debt. Does that matter to these u hacks? Nope.
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I personally just don't see the UAW holding them down. The pay and benefits they have have been going up progressively since the 70's along with vehicle costs and everything else. Just don't see how it's now a problem.
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Nah. We still have the power. But the politicians down here are easily persuaded. We've got a plant in shreveport and from what I hear, those people who work there are worthless. But I'm guessing that's just UAW internal problem. The sad thing is that all unions are viewed to be the same and the UAW is the only one anybody knows anything about. The general public bases all of what they know about unions on the "black sheep" UAW.
Toyota seems to be doing just fine with there union-less plants in the USA..
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Originally Posted by ShaneGT
what i mean is, Louisiana has a law on the books to protect buisiness, Right to fire law, regardless of union the employer has the right to fire a person for any reason that is legit(IE no discrimination, etc).
Toyota seems to be doing just fine with there union-less plants in the USA..
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In that single respect, "occupiers" have a point. Middle class/incomes have vanished. Who are these middle incomes of $200k Obama wants to tax?? $200k as middle class income??
But yet (the real) middle class are still supposed to shell out $30k for a new car or truck? Are you freaking kidding me? $30k??
Either union wages & union made products need to come down, or everybody elses wages needs to go up. But that can't happen with the economy in its present el stinko mode.
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
There's no trick there. Everybody uses retirement at some point. And almost everybody uses health insurance at some point. It is a HUGE expense. Why do you think so many go without health insurance on their own? Many are just deadbeats that don't accept responsibility as an adult and will 'steal' from society using ER (but have cool TV's and nice Mustangs). But also because it is hugely expensive. And you want to suggest that its just a "nice little trick". Have you ever written those checks for your employees??
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I agree with most of you statements Charlie. But NOBODY is gonna give up wages. Vehicle prices are not gonna go down. We are stuck in a big rut. Healthcare might help but not enough to make a difference. Quit moving business overseas and buy American sounds good to me but I doubt if that's gonna happen either. American businesses should amount to American money but that's just my opinion.
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I agree with most of you statements Charlie. But NOBODY is gonna give up wages. Vehicle prices are not gonna go down. We are stuck in a big rut. Healthcare might help but not enough to make a difference. Quit moving business overseas and buy American sounds good to me but I doubt if that's gonna happen either. American businesses should amount to American money but that's just my opinion.
But I do think in the current economy unions should moderate their 'demands'. They can be adjusted later when the economy is in full recovery. Which is why I still would be pushing for a profit sharing incentive over a silly one time 'signing' bonus.
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Other than two workmans comp injuries (route job) that were not major, I had not used my health care benefits for illness for 10 yrs. Until that fateful day and it cost the company $30k. Boom! That gets averaged out across everybody.
I've done consulting work for a number of companies. Those health insurance benefits are a huge chunk out of the owners cash flow each month - whether their employees were using them or not. These were non-union companies that provided benefits to keep good employees. So the employees were being compensated with wages+bennies - out of the pockets of the owners - and ultimately out of the pockets of customers.
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
I understand. Sadly, most American workers have given up compensation - if not directly, indirectly through no raises while inflation keeps compounding away.
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Which is why I still would be pushing for a profit sharing incentive over a silly one time 'signing' bonus. I like salary plus incentive. I have done my personal best in those arrangements - and so did the company. Gets everyone on the same page.
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Which is why I still would be pushing for a profit sharing incentive over a silly one time 'signing' bonus. I like salary plus incentive. I have done my personal best in those arrangements - and so did the company. Gets everyone on the same page.
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As for mindset, they need to grow the eff up. Ford management, owners (shareholders), and everyone else in the real world - from small businesses to families to Ford customers - has to face reality. Every dang day.
What you just wrote is EXACTLY what pixxes people off. That somehow union employees get to be coddled and babied like the little puzzies they've become - while the rest of the world has to fight on the front lines while dragging these deadbeats on our sled. Little thumb sucking kindergartners expecting their teachers to give them blankies & milk & cookies & nappy time.
Yoda says "slugs you have become, yes".
Yep, you struck a nerve there. Just like a freakin' dentist. lol I literally felt my blood pressure spike. rofl
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Well certainly it has to be structured correctly. No cooking the books to show lower profit. More like a salary + commission that sales people often have. Or salary + producution targets (with QC a factor) - with an incentive to be mindful/reduce costs/waste. Become partners - not adversaries.
As for mindset, they need to grow the eff up. Ford management, owners (shareholders), and everyone else in the real world - from small businesses to families to Ford customers - has to face reality. Every dang day.
What you just wrote is EXACTLY what pixxes people off. That somehow union employees get to be coddled and babied like the little puzzies they've become - while the rest of the world has to fight on the front lines while dragging these deadbeats on our sled. Little thumb sucking kindergartners expecting their teachers to give them blankies & milk & cookies & nappy time.
Yoda says "slugs you have become, yes".
Yep, you struck a nerve there. Just like a freakin' dentist. lol I literally felt my blood pressure spike. rofl
But like I said, it's more UAW then all unions. There's some good and bad. The UAW just seems all bad. We are not all like this but yes there is an element of that in every union. Lazy crybabies being protected by the unions but things work themselves out. At least 25 people have been fired from here in the last 4 years and most of them had it coming. They are not untouchable but they will not be let go unjustly. We complain just as much as everyone else but we do have it pretty good.
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Originally Posted by ShaneGT
SO here is my question, where these plants are... if you work for the plant, are you forced to join the union as a package deal?
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That's how I roll Charlie. Lol
But like I said, it's more UAW then all unions. There's some good and bad. The UAW just seems all bad. We are not all like this but yes there is an element of that in every union. Lazy crybabies.....
From my point of view it appears the union officials are mainly responsible for the bad perception of the public. Its not the workers that are doing the day to day. But you guys with experience feel free to correct me.
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Nope. Not here at least. But it would not be wise. There is no special incentives to not join. Just not paying union dues and no chance of arbitration if disciplined unjustly. And if there is a lockout, those non/union guys are out too. And union workers have to train you on your job anyways. Just better to join even if you are somewhat against it. Union dues are tax deductible anyways.
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Ford UAW reversing decision.
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