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Old Nov 17, 2007 | 02:20 AM
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...and I agree with all of you on that point.
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
Exactly, and right now Lincoln doesn't have sufficient product and seems to lack strategy. Marketing is therefore superfluous to the whole conversation.

The LS was a one-shot wonder; one good car does not a brand line-up make. Hopefully, this new MKS is a taste of a whole new range of products from Lincoln, though given the company's history, and J Mays' repeated failures at Ford, I won't hold my breath.
That's exactly why I said "It's deja-vu all over again".

Flash back 9 years.
Lincoln was 8 months away from introducing it's 1st car that could play on the global stage, the LS, which was co-developed with Jag. Plans were being made to sell the LS in Europe. Ford quickly killed plans for follow on D/EW-98 vehicles and plans to take Lincoln global because the top brains @ Ford decided a point product (the LS ) wouldn't support a global sales effort. For global sales a family of global products would be needed.

Jump back to today.
Lincoln is 10 months away from introducing what may possibly be it's 2nd car that could play on the global stage. The only reason the MKS may be able to play on the global stage is that it's a spiffed up Volvo S80 which already plays there.

So what's the chance that Lincoln will come up with a family of globally viable vehicle?. The odds are heavily against Lincoln being able to do so as there is a lack of platforms for other vehicles that will play globally.
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
That's exactly why I said "It's deja-vu all over again".

Flash back 9 years.
Lincoln was 8 months away from introducing it's 1st car that could play on the global stage, the LS, which was co-developed with Jag. Plans were being made to sell the LS in Europe. Ford quickly killed plans for follow on D/EW-98 vehicles and plans to take Lincoln global because the top brains @ Ford decided a point product (the LS ) wouldn't support a global sales effort. For global sales a family of global products would be needed.

Jump back to today.
Lincoln is 10 months away from introducing what may possibly be it's 2nd car that could play on the global stage. The only reason the MKS may be able to play on the global stage is that it's a spiffed up Volvo S80 which already plays there.

So what's the chance that Lincoln will come up with a family of globally viable vehicle?. The odds are heavily against Lincoln being able to do so as there is a lack of platforms for other vehicles that will play globally.
Precisely.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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I could not have written a better synopsis of Lincolns problems, lost opportunities and future challenges than this. His comments on the MKS are right on

http://www.autoextremist.com/index.shtml
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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Everybody's flipping out over Farley saying he wants to take the brand global.

Chill.

2 reasons not to get bent over a chair about his:

1. If we were talking Bill or Alan, I'd say be concerned. But this is the new marketing guy they just plugged in, a guy who's probably trying to talk big so that he looks good for the job. If he starts putting MKSs on a boat, or if Ford starts opening Linc dealerships in London with the present lineup, I'd say green light to tar and feather him.

2. He didn't say "We're going to start selling the MKS Globally," he said "lincoln should be a global brand." Well yes, it should. With a solid Lincoln lineup, customers looking for American-style luxury, and a weak dollar, Lincs should be exported. Hopefully, desire to take the brand that direction will accelerate the brand in its race to catch up to Caddy, and lead to better products sooner rather than later.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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I think these excerpts from that Auto Extremist article say it all >>

But thanks to John Smith's driving vision and some of the most talented people at work at GM, Cadillac today is a vibrant, tough-as-nails competitor in the luxury market and a shining example of what GM could do if they put their minds to it. The new CTS is not just a sensational Cadillac, it's another one of GM's "no apologies offered, no excuses needed" new cars, one that even has rivals from BMW, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz looking over their shoulders muttering under their breath something like "Uh-oh, these guys finally do get it, don't they?"

And the lessons learned turning Cadillac around are the reason GM is back on its game. In short, there would be no Buick Enclave or Chevy Malibu or Saturn Aura, etc., without the soul searching and ball-busting that went into turning Cadillac around.

But Lincoln? Uh, not so much.

While GM was toiling away and doing the heavy-lifting on Cadillac, Ford was hopelessly nowhere with Lincoln. Sure, there were signs of life when the LS was present and accounted for, but Ford's legendary warring fiefdoms and bankrupt "culture" worked overtime to make sure that Lincoln was underserved and forever lost in Dearborn's legendary bureaucratic wilderness. It didn't help, of course, that Ford "marketers" (and I use that term derisively) ripped the heart out of any legitimate positive initiative that was brewed for Lincoln, giving new meaning to the term "inept" at every turn.

As a matter of fact, Lincoln marketers became charter members (along with Mercedes-Benz) of my "No Auto Industry Executives Have Done Less With More" Club, a disgraced group of auto industry hacks who squandered every opportunity to do the Right Thing when it came to reviving and reinvigorating their brands.

Here's the deal about Lincoln, Mr. Farley. You're where GM was with Cadillac oh, about six years ago. No, you're not Lost in Landau Land, but you're still lost with a capital "L." The new MKS? A tolerable effort, to be sure, but is it a game-changing Lincoln? Oh, hell no. The double-winged grille is nice and everything, but where's the rest of the car? How are the back and profile of the new MKS any different from any number of cars out there? I'll answer that one for you - they aren't. Ford is moving at a snail's pace in turning around Lincoln, and it isn't pretty. I haven't seen anything good enough to be a called a "Lincoln" yet. That means there's no drop dead, oh my God, that's a Lincoln! on the street yet.
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