Will the Shelby be available to the Public?
6/5/05, 07:41 PM
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the mustang gt has 65.2hp per liter and the gto has 66.6 hp per liter. That is pretty close, not to mention that the gto costs almost 5k more base price and runs on premium gasoline.
6/5/05, 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@June 5, 2005, 7:39 PM
i can put a 16psi blower on my 01 stang and have that much power too, but stock to stock and for the money, the shelby will win
The charger srt8 will most likely be around the shelby price anyway, and with less power.
the gto is heavier than the shelby, and is lucky to be a low 13 second car, and it cost only 7k less.
i can put a 16psi blower on my 01 stang and have that much power too, but stock to stock and for the money, the shelby will win
The charger srt8 will most likely be around the shelby price anyway, and with less power.
the gto is heavier than the shelby, and is lucky to be a low 13 second car, and it cost only 7k less.
DUDE!!!! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?????
First of all for the money the shelby will NOT win. Period. Most "intelligents" will not argue that point.
A blown LS2 (6.0L) engine WILL be putting out more horseys than the Shelby's blown 5.4L. Dont even try to argue that.
The Charger price WILL not be around the Shelby's price I estimate It will have an MSRP of 34K
Your statement the GTO is heavier is DEAD Wrong. Seriously get your facts straight.
GTO curb weight: 3750lbs Shelby Curb weight: 3850lbs WOW your statement was IDIOTIC!!!!
STOCK 05' GTO's run 12.9 in the 1/4 m.
GTO's are also a lot more than 7K less. Got my goat for 30K (with out tax title and tag, no gas guzzlers tax for me) The shelby will have a $2500 Gas Guzzler's tax and MSRP's for around 40K (Thats with out dealer mark-up) Thats $12,500 right there!
I would say anywhere from 3-5K dealer mark-up (mabey more) and your looking at $15,500 - 17,500 more than my GTO!
A little different than your 7K number... ey?
ALL of your staement are WRONG! Do your research before posting. THANKS!
6/5/05, 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by wakerider017+June 5, 2005, 10:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wakerider017 @ June 5, 2005, 10:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>DUDE!!!! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?????
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6/5/05, 08:41 PM
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And here I thought I would be reading about the Shelby in this thread 
Why are we comparing the GTO to the Shelby? Park a GTO and a Shelby right next to each other at the parking lot of your choice and let's see what everyone flocks to. I used to be a Pontiac loyalist (have previously had a '68 GTO, '69 GTO Judge and '72 Grand Prix 455) but honestly, Pontiac abandoned us when they axed their last decent muscle car looker (the Firebird). The new GTO is an absolute embarassment in the looks department. That Car & Driver article that pitted them against each other, I couldn't help at wonder at the total blandness of the GTO styling in the pictures where it's next to the Mustang. Ditto when I saw it at the Dallas Auto Show. It's awful. For a performance car, it is unacceptable. Sorry to any GTO owners that stray in here, but there is no redeeming value in its appearance and it is not worthy of being in the same thread as the Shelby. Performance is not the entire measure of a car's worth and the GTO lags so far behind in looks that double the performance would scarcely fill the gap between the two. Car & Driver ranked a bone stock Mustang GT over the GTO (by one point), the Shelby would stomp all over it. Now lets get back on topic
Why are we comparing the GTO to the Shelby? Park a GTO and a Shelby right next to each other at the parking lot of your choice and let's see what everyone flocks to. I used to be a Pontiac loyalist (have previously had a '68 GTO, '69 GTO Judge and '72 Grand Prix 455) but honestly, Pontiac abandoned us when they axed their last decent muscle car looker (the Firebird). The new GTO is an absolute embarassment in the looks department. That Car & Driver article that pitted them against each other, I couldn't help at wonder at the total blandness of the GTO styling in the pictures where it's next to the Mustang. Ditto when I saw it at the Dallas Auto Show. It's awful. For a performance car, it is unacceptable. Sorry to any GTO owners that stray in here, but there is no redeeming value in its appearance and it is not worthy of being in the same thread as the Shelby. Performance is not the entire measure of a car's worth and the GTO lags so far behind in looks that double the performance would scarcely fill the gap between the two. Car & Driver ranked a bone stock Mustang GT over the GTO (by one point), the Shelby would stomp all over it. Now lets get back on topic
6/5/05, 08:42 PM
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HAHAH
like i said before, if we are going to be talkin about idiotic statements. If you feel like "blowing" you ls2 you might want to have a 7k reserve for replacing your motor.
MSRP on a gto is not 30k, just because tahts what you paid for your overpriced 90's lookin sportscar.
12.9 in the quarter? factory freak, magazines are getting 13.2 and 13.5 with a mustang gt auto with 100 less horsepower. If you want to go with your 12.9 number, there are people here on this board that have ran 13.2's and 13.3's with their stock GT's.
Im glad that YOU estimate that the charger srt8 will have a sticker of 34k, i will call dodge and tell them that.
You really need to get a blow up doll or something man, you are getting a little angry because you settled for a GTO, that is not our fault.
like i said before, if we are going to be talkin about idiotic statements. If you feel like "blowing" you ls2 you might want to have a 7k reserve for replacing your motor.
MSRP on a gto is not 30k, just because tahts what you paid for your overpriced 90's lookin sportscar.
12.9 in the quarter? factory freak, magazines are getting 13.2 and 13.5 with a mustang gt auto with 100 less horsepower. If you want to go with your 12.9 number, there are people here on this board that have ran 13.2's and 13.3's with their stock GT's.
Im glad that YOU estimate that the charger srt8 will have a sticker of 34k, i will call dodge and tell them that.
You really need to get a blow up doll or something man, you are getting a little angry because you settled for a GTO, that is not our fault.
6/5/05, 08:44 PM
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Oh, and yes i was wrong about one thing, the weight.
If you take the msrp of a gto (32 or 33k i believe) add a supercharger kit (good one for 5-6k) you are lookin at 37-39k for a blown (soon to blow up) gto, or you can have a nice low compression shelby that is covered under a factory warranty.
Whos the idiot now?
If you take the msrp of a gto (32 or 33k i believe) add a supercharger kit (good one for 5-6k) you are lookin at 37-39k for a blown (soon to blow up) gto, or you can have a nice low compression shelby that is covered under a factory warranty.
Whos the idiot now?
6/5/05, 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@June 5, 2005, 7:44 PM
the mustang gt has 65.2hp per liter and the gto has 66.6 hp per liter. That is pretty close, not to mention that the gto costs almost 5k more base price and runs on premium gasoline.
the mustang gt has 65.2hp per liter and the gto has 66.6 hp per liter. That is pretty close, not to mention that the gto costs almost 5k more base price and runs on premium gasoline.
And the GTO has 1.4 more L's. You know the GTO and GT are both N/A engines?
Your comparison is just plain STUPID!
You know a Viper engine has 8.3L (505ci) and 500 hp... That means it has 60 hp per liter!
I mean whats your point?
The GTO has more hp per liter than the GT... Your proving my point for me. Thanks.
GTO does not have to run Premium... But its recomended. WOW, Big Deal. What do u think Mustang GT's are filling up with at the track? Doubt its going to be 87.
Anyway you cant compare a GT Deluxe to a GTO. A GTO has leather interior, nice stereo system, and is very well trimmed through out the cabin. A GT Premium with red leather (which is what I have) will run you around 28K MSRP.
Thats only 2K less than what I paid for my GTO.
PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!
6/5/05, 08:54 PM
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you are seriously ignorant man, im laughin everytime i read your posts.
I know the GTO makes more power per liter than a mustang gt, but not more power per liter than a shelby, it falls short a whole lot. (shelby is 88hp/liter) yes i know its n/a but we are comparing cars arent we?
You are comparing what you paid for your gto (under msrp cuz they cant sell them to save their life) and what people are paying for a car that is selling near 200,000 units in its first year.
I can go get a kio rio for under msrp, but i dont brag about that.
I know the GTO makes more power per liter than a mustang gt, but not more power per liter than a shelby, it falls short a whole lot. (shelby is 88hp/liter) yes i know its n/a but we are comparing cars arent we?
You are comparing what you paid for your gto (under msrp cuz they cant sell them to save their life) and what people are paying for a car that is selling near 200,000 units in its first year.
I can go get a kio rio for under msrp, but i dont brag about that.
6/5/05, 09:05 PM
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Another blast from the recent past:
It's nice to know all you guys are being lectured and scolded by a self made expert...
WOW! An engineering degree, and in only 5 months!
Originally posted by wakerider017@January 14, 2005, 5:17 PM
What is IUP? Sorry for asking dumb question but i just dont know what it is...
What is IUP? Sorry for asking dumb question but i just dont know what it is...
WOW! An engineering degree, and in only 5 months!
6/5/05, 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@June 5, 2005, 8:47 PM
Oh, and yes i was wrong about one thing, the weight.
If you take the msrp of a gto (32 or 33k i believe) add a supercharger kit (good one for 5-6k) you are lookin at 37-39k for a blown (soon to blow up) gto, or you can have a nice low compression shelby that is covered under a factory warranty.
Whos the idiot now?
Oh, and yes i was wrong about one thing, the weight.
If you take the msrp of a gto (32 or 33k i believe) add a supercharger kit (good one for 5-6k) you are lookin at 37-39k for a blown (soon to blow up) gto, or you can have a nice low compression shelby that is covered under a factory warranty.
Whos the idiot now?
Not going to blow my Goat.... But it is definatly possible for those who feel they need more than 400 N/A horses.
And 30K is what you can get a GTO for.
You cant get a Mustang GT under MSRP.
Everyone and their mom wants one right now (not to say they are bad cars).
So it is 30K for a GTO and 28K for a GT.
Anyway the Shelby is not going to cost you 40K
Lets do some simple math:
Shelby GT 500
40K MSRP
2.5K Gas Guzzlers Tax
5K Dealer Mark-up
TAX ($45000 X .07) = about 3K
Title and Tag (not even going to worry about it)
Total:50.5K
GTO
What I payed for mine:
30K (Just over invoice)
Tax ($30000 X .07) = about 2K
Title and Tag (not even going to worry about it)
Total: 32K
Ouch... Looks like the GTO wins the price battle.
Even if the dealer mark-up was a little less.... you are still looking in the high 40's.
6/5/05, 09:13 PM
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You are using all speculation and comparing what you paid to msrp. thats like saying 1=2. Go back to school
And for your information, many people on here alone have purchased gts for the 22-25k range (under msrp).
And for your information, many people on here alone have purchased gts for the 22-25k range (under msrp).
6/5/05, 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@June 5, 2005, 8:57 PM
you are seriously ignorant man, im laughin everytime i read your posts.
I know the GTO makes more power per liter than a mustang gt, but not more power per liter than a shelby, it falls short a whole lot. (shelby is 88hp/liter) yes i know its n/a but we are comparing cars arent we?
You are comparing what you paid for your gto (under msrp cuz they cant sell them to save their life) and what people are paying for a car that is selling near 200,000 units in its first year.
I can go get a kio rio for under msrp, but i dont brag about that.
you are seriously ignorant man, im laughin everytime i read your posts.
I know the GTO makes more power per liter than a mustang gt, but not more power per liter than a shelby, it falls short a whole lot. (shelby is 88hp/liter) yes i know its n/a but we are comparing cars arent we?
You are comparing what you paid for your gto (under msrp cuz they cant sell them to save their life) and what people are paying for a car that is selling near 200,000 units in its first year.
I can go get a kio rio for under msrp, but i dont brag about that.
WOW!
Yes we are comparing cars. Now its my turn!
Ferrari indy car, 12 cyl, 4.0L, 800 hp. Thats 200hp per liter!!!!
To Shelby GT 500. at only 88hp per L
That makes as much sense as comparing S/C to N/A
Drop the Shelby's S/C and then lets talk!
The GT500 N/A would prob be around 350 horses. Which is just around what a GTO is pushing per L.
Now please stop with this per L BS. IT MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!
6/5/05, 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@June 5, 2005, 9:16 PM
You are using all speculation and comparing what you paid to msrp. thats like saying 1=2. Go back to school
And for your information, many people on here alone have purchased gts for the 22-25k range (under msrp).
You are using all speculation and comparing what you paid to msrp. thats like saying 1=2. Go back to school
And for your information, many people on here alone have purchased gts for the 22-25k range (under msrp).
Dont tell me you plan on getting one under MSRP!!!!
You KNOW you will be paying dealer mark-up If you buy one.
Look at the above calculations.
Ouch those numbers HURT!
6/5/05, 09:20 PM
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Where in my posts did i say it was possible to get one under msrp?
When the GTO came out it was 3k markup at least.
If you are going to compare things, compare things.
GTO BASE
to
SHELBY BASE
none of this markup bs, under msrp bs, etc.
You are lookin at a 7k price difference MAX.
When the GTO came out it was 3k markup at least.
If you are going to compare things, compare things.
GTO BASE
to
SHELBY BASE
none of this markup bs, under msrp bs, etc.
You are lookin at a 7k price difference MAX.
6/5/05, 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@June 5, 2005, 9:21 PM
hp/lb means nothing? it means EVERYTHING.
i am comparing cars in SIMILAR price ranges, not one that cost $8 million in R&D and one that is a 40k production car.
hp/lb means nothing? it means EVERYTHING.
i am comparing cars in SIMILAR price ranges, not one that cost $8 million in R&D and one that is a 40k production car.
The "L" stands for liter and the "BS" stands for bull poo
See the space bud!
Now how did you get "hp/lb".
Thats just far out DUDE!!!
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