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Old 6/1/05, 05:12 PM
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Ok, so we are generally a bunch of Mustang people in here.If GM got the styling right and built a Camaro with an LS-7(aluminum 427,500hp.) the game would be ON!Would you go look? Sure you would.

Chev. would need a better power to weight ratio to get an edge as the Shelby is just a pulley kit away from more hp. This is gonna get fun....gear-heads ,rejoice!
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I wish that would happen. It looks like GM is quite a few years away from a rear drive platform because they ditched the Zeta chassis, which was the new rear drive platform being developed by Holden because it was going to be too expensive.

The Kappa platform, which is what the Solstice and Saturn Sky are going to be built on, was developed in 2001 and 2002, and only now in June are we going to see the first cars. If they started developing today, they might have a product by 2008. I hate it because I would love to see GM stay in the fight.

On a couple of the Mopar forums I saw that there was a filing by Chrysler to register the Challenger name as a trademark. Could there be a 2 door Challenger based on the current Charger/300 platform? That would be so sweet.

I hate to say it because I've mostly owned GM's over the years but GM lately is always playing catchup.
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Why should we be the only lucky snobs?

I'd love to see the Camaro guys griping about waiting lists, IRS, A/Ts, and the $10K dealer AMVs.


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there will be no camaro
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¿ Camaro 2008 ?

Nor 2009, 2010, 2011, etc.

1.-The name of the "Camaro" does not belong to GM. ( understand factory of Canada. )

2.-The platform Z - BodyZ - in this life already never, is Dead.

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Rumor is they are bringing a camaro SS out in 2007 there are pictures of the concept on the internet and there going back to the old style camaros just like the mustang has done that would be sweet if they did bring out a camaro SS and rumor is it is going to have only 400hp.
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Originally posted by iceman241@June 2, 2005, 9:38 AM
Rumor is they are bringing a camaro SS out in 2007 there are pictures of the concept on the internet and there going back to the old style camaros just like the mustang has done that would be sweet if they did bring out a camaro SS and rumor is it is going to have only 400hp.
That was a drawing made by some kid, not by GM. If they brought it back, I would imagine the Z28 would be the one to have 400 hp, the same engine that's in the GTO and base Vette.
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Originally posted by iceman241@June 2, 2005, 10:38 AM
Rumor is they are bringing a camaro SS out in 2007 there are pictures of the concept on the internet and there going back to the old style camaros just like the mustang has done that would be sweet if they did bring out a camaro SS and rumor is it is going to have only 400hp.
Is this the one you're talking about:



If so, it isn't a GM concept. It's a concept commissioned by Popular Hot Rodding magazine for what they think the next Camaro might look like.

Don't believe me? Read the article yourelf:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...09phr_5camaro/
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There is NO WAY the crappy Camaro will have a bigger engine then the Vet. No Way :notnice: GM don't play dat.
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I've been seeing that "new Camaro to look like first gen F-body" rumor since before the F-body even stopped production. If it's going to happen, it's not going to be soon. Of course if a new GM pony car arrived, I'd go check it out. But based on the last few years of GM's inventory, I already have very low hopes.

Hmm, a Dodge Challenger? Now that might be something to investigate, assuming it had two doors and a proper stickshift...

For now though, the Mustang is the only game in town for guys like me. And it's a great game, too.
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Camaro if it has 427,500 HP. Sorry,I know it was a typo I just had to say it. Just tring to be funny, I'm not one of those posting police.
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Yeah thats it Tom servo wow that looks awesome they should bring that car out they would sell a poo load of them.
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Just because they said they arnt going to build the camaro anymore doesnt mean nothing they said that about alot of cars and they brought them back.
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Originally posted by Eleanor Dreaming@June 2, 2005, 9:54 AM
Camaro if it has 427,500 HP. Sorry,I know it was a typo I just had to say it. Just tring to be funny, I'm not one of those posting police.
...let's hope they don't spot your "Painted Calibers"...

Oh, and Shelby.
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Originally posted by iceman241@June 2, 2005, 10:12 AM
Just because they said they arnt going to build the camaro anymore doesnt mean nothing they said that about alot of cars and they brought them back.
The problem lies in the fact that GM had an agreement with the plant that made the Camaro. Part of the agreement of closing the plant was that the Camaro could me made nowhere but that plant.
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I'd love to see it. Nothing like a good chance to talk trash at the stoplight. Can you imagine those two facing off on the street all across the country?
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By the way, regardless of factory agreements and whatnot, rest assured that if GM really wants to bring the Maro back, they'll find a way.
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Originally posted by stoic21@June 2, 2005, 11:18 AM
The problem lies in the fact that GM had an agreement with the plant that made the Camaro. Part of the agreement of closing the plant was that the Camaro could me made nowhere but that plant.
Thats partially true. The agreement runs through 2017. However, the plant is not there anymore, it was demolished last year, so it would be pretty tough to build it there. Its really between the Canadian govt, union and GM, but I'm sure if GM wants to bring the Camaro back they aren't going to have any issues building it where they want.

The same article referenced above has all the details.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...409phr_camaro/
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USA Today : 3-21-2005

"GM kills car line, offers buyouts to white-collar staff"


DETROIT — General Motors (GM) has killed plans for a new line of rear-wheel drive passenger cars slated to reach North American showrooms in 2008, in large part to free up resources to bring its next generation of large pickups and sport-utility vehicles to market quicker.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...-gm-cuts_x.htm

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Mistake post previous : F-Body and not Body Z.
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Originally posted by TigerGt@June 2, 2005, 5:48 PM
USA Today : 3-21-2005

"GM kills car line, offers buyouts to white-collar staff"


DETROIT — General Motors (GM) has killed plans for a new line of rear-wheel drive passenger cars slated to reach North American showrooms in 2008, in large part to free up resources to bring its next generation of large pickups and sport-utility vehicles to market quicker.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...-gm-cuts_x.htm

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Mistake post previous : F-Body and not Body Z.
Lutz did another article right after this one because the media had mis-construed his statement. He said they axed the plan to use the Zeta chassis, but the chassis would still be developed and used by Holden. He also said that this did not preclude a plan to develop a RWD platform for north america.
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