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5/29/05, 07:57 PM
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wakerider017, you are calling people ignorant about the gto. Its a 400hp car that can barely even run 12's stock. Thats pathetic.
the cobra is "390" and runs 12.7's all day long completely stock.
the cobra is supercharged yes, but has a 4.6 compared to a 6.0.
For your information, pulley swaps have been shown to add 63rwhp, tunes have shown 27hp, and throttle body's have shown 30hp.
My customer at work has a 2003 cobra, pullies, intake, exhaust, retune, throttle body and puts down 518 at the wheels, and has shown me his dyno graph, and ive been to the track with him when he ran a tire spinning 11.8.
the cobra is "390" and runs 12.7's all day long completely stock.
the cobra is supercharged yes, but has a 4.6 compared to a 6.0.
For your information, pulley swaps have been shown to add 63rwhp, tunes have shown 27hp, and throttle body's have shown 30hp.
My customer at work has a 2003 cobra, pullies, intake, exhaust, retune, throttle body and puts down 518 at the wheels, and has shown me his dyno graph, and ive been to the track with him when he ran a tire spinning 11.8.
5/29/05, 08:01 PM
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The GTO has no design to it either, looks like something built in 1995, and has about the same technology. Lets try to remember how many gto's sold in its 2004 model year... around 17,000 i think?
There were over 25,000 mustangs sold before the first one was even built, and currently approaching the 130k number.
There were over 25,000 mustangs sold before the first one was even built, and currently approaching the 130k number.
5/29/05, 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@May 29, 2005, 8:00 PM
wakerider017, you are calling people ignorant about the gto. Its a 400hp car that can barely even run 12's stock. Thats pathetic.
the cobra is "390" and runs 12.7's all day long completely stock.
the cobra is supercharged yes, but has a 4.6 compared to a 6.0.
For your information, pulley swaps have been shown to add 63rwhp, tunes have shown 27hp, and throttle body's have shown 30hp.
My customer at work has a 2003 cobra, pullies, intake, exhaust, retune, throttle body and puts down 518 at the wheels, and has shown me his dyno graph, and ive been to the track with him when he ran a tire spinning 11.8.
wakerider017, you are calling people ignorant about the gto. Its a 400hp car that can barely even run 12's stock. Thats pathetic.
the cobra is "390" and runs 12.7's all day long completely stock.
the cobra is supercharged yes, but has a 4.6 compared to a 6.0.
For your information, pulley swaps have been shown to add 63rwhp, tunes have shown 27hp, and throttle body's have shown 30hp.
My customer at work has a 2003 cobra, pullies, intake, exhaust, retune, throttle body and puts down 518 at the wheels, and has shown me his dyno graph, and ive been to the track with him when he ran a tire spinning 11.8.
Why are high 12's "pathetic"?
...Sure you can mod out both cars and get better numbers. But you HAVE to agree the GTO has much more potential. Just for the fact its a 6.0 L. Can you imagine a s/c LS2?
I'm sick of arguing, lets just settle and say the cobra and GTO are both respectable cars.
Deal?
5/29/05, 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by wakerider017@May 29, 2005, 10:58 PM
... the GTO has much more potential...
... the GTO has much more potential...
I bet you are really looking forward for that trade in value.
Oh, well. There's always ebay.
5/29/05, 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT@May 29, 2005, 9:06 PM
I bet you are really looking forward for that trade in value.
Oh, well. There's always ebay.
I bet you are really looking forward for that trade in value.
Oh, well. There's always ebay.
I think we both seriously need to calm down.
Your happy with your cobra, I'm happy with my GTO.
let that be the end of it
5/29/05, 09:18 PM
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Along with all the other crap you've posted, the insults, the hard time you've given the mods. Deal?
You have a better chance at getting a standing ovation at Brandon Ford.
You have a better chance at getting a standing ovation at Brandon Ford.
5/29/05, 10:39 PM
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400hp from a n/a car (should have a really good torque curve) and only high 12s and low 13s (magazine testing) That is sad because the mustang is 300hp and people have run some 13.4s stock and the gto tested at 13.2
5/29/05, 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by wakerider017@May 29, 2005, 4:23 PM
I can beat your "POS" Cobra with my N/A GTO any day. And look who sppent 5-6K more.
I come off the lot with more hp and better handling.
With that much money I can buy a s/c kit and be pushing 500 HP. stinks to be in the 390 crowd
Bon apetite!
I can beat your "POS" Cobra with my N/A GTO any day. And look who sppent 5-6K more.
I come off the lot with more hp and better handling.
With that much money I can buy a s/c kit and be pushing 500 HP. stinks to be in the 390 crowd
Bon apetite!
5/29/05, 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by wakerider017+May 29, 2005, 5:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wakerider017 @ May 29, 2005, 5:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dude a pulley change and a tune will not give you 100 hp. LMAO
Also Cobras do not dyno at over 400 hp. LMAO. Where do you get this info.
390 hp is the engine hp for a cobra. How do u figure more hp would be at the wheels?
All I have to say is WOW. Your a special little boy and your mommy loves you.
The fact of the matter is that all cars lose hp between the wheels and the engine. And there is not much you can do about it.
Cobra has 390 mabey 400 hp s/c at the engine GTO has 400 N/A at the engine.
Both are puttin around 360 hp to the wheels. A tune will give you around 20 hp (at the most) a pulley change will again give you 20.
So at the most you would have 400 hp at the wheels. Good try with the 500 though... LMAO. What an idiot.
Next time do your research and MATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nono: :nono: :nono:
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Also Cobras do not dyno at over 400 hp. LMAO. Where do you get this info.
390 hp is the engine hp for a cobra. How do u figure more hp would be at the wheels?
All I have to say is WOW. Your a special little boy and your mommy loves you.
The fact of the matter is that all cars lose hp between the wheels and the engine. And there is not much you can do about it.
Cobra has 390 mabey 400 hp s/c at the engine GTO has 400 N/A at the engine.
Both are puttin around 360 hp to the wheels. A tune will give you around 20 hp (at the most) a pulley change will again give you 20.
So at the most you would have 400 hp at the wheels. Good try with the 500 though... LMAO. What an idiot.
Next time do your research and MATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nono: :nono: :nono:
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he isnt a noob bright one, cobra puts 380 to the wheels, it was underrated to 390, actually its 425-435 at the flywheel
Originally posted by matic@May 29, 2005, 5:15 PM
Dude, stop posting. You don't know what you're talking about, and it's painfully obvious. Ford underrated the 03/04 Cobra specs, what they rate as BHP is actually a good bit closer to RWHP. A couple simple mods puts the BHP around 500.
Look, we're happy you're happy with your car, go and share with people who care. I'm sure there are GTO message boards around out there for you to brag on. None of us want to read it.
Dude, stop posting. You don't know what you're talking about, and it's painfully obvious. Ford underrated the 03/04 Cobra specs, what they rate as BHP is actually a good bit closer to RWHP. A couple simple mods puts the BHP around 500.
Look, we're happy you're happy with your car, go and share with people who care. I'm sure there are GTO message boards around out there for you to brag on. None of us want to read it.
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5/30/05, 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by wakerider017@May 29, 2005, 9:58 PM
I'm sick of arguing, lets just settle and say the cobra and GTO are both respectable cars.
Deal?
I'm sick of arguing, lets just settle and say the cobra and GTO are both respectable cars.
Deal?
5/30/05, 07:50 AM
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Ya, its a 400 hp n/a joke for the price of a Mustang GT. Its got IRS and a Tremec T-56 Tranny amung many other great features. Currently, the TREMEC T-56 is being used on the Dodge Viper, Chevy Corvette Z06, Ford SVT Mustang Cobra, Aston Martin DB7 Vantage and V12 Vanquish.
The GTO is a very well made car. Period. I practically uses the C6's whole drivetrain.
Explain to me how it is a joke. Just dont see how a well made, powerful car is a joke. Is the C6 is joke to? B/c its pretty much the same set up (engine wise)
Did you know it is made in the down under?
The GTO is a very well made car. Period. I practically uses the C6's whole drivetrain.
Explain to me how it is a joke. Just dont see how a well made, powerful car is a joke. Is the C6 is joke to? B/c its pretty much the same set up (engine wise)
Did you know it is made in the down under?
5/30/05, 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by wakerider017@May 30, 2005, 8:53 AM
Ya, its a 400 hp n/a joke for the price of a Mustang GT. Its got IRS and a Tremec T-56 Tranny amung many other great features. Currently, the TREMEC T-56 is being used on the Dodge Viper, Chevy Corvette Z06, Ford SVT Mustang Cobra, Aston Martin DB7 Vantage and V12 Vanquish.
The GTO is a very well made car. Period. I practically uses the C6's whole drivetrain.
Explain to me how it is a joke. Just dont see how a well made, powerful car is a joke. Is the C6 is joke to? B/c its pretty much the same set up (engine wise)
Did you know it is made in the down under?
Ya, its a 400 hp n/a joke for the price of a Mustang GT. Its got IRS and a Tremec T-56 Tranny amung many other great features. Currently, the TREMEC T-56 is being used on the Dodge Viper, Chevy Corvette Z06, Ford SVT Mustang Cobra, Aston Martin DB7 Vantage and V12 Vanquish.
The GTO is a very well made car. Period. I practically uses the C6's whole drivetrain.
Explain to me how it is a joke. Just dont see how a well made, powerful car is a joke. Is the C6 is joke to? B/c its pretty much the same set up (engine wise)
Did you know it is made in the down under?
As to your poll, I didn't vote. I believe it's a nonsense poll since the GT500 and Z06 aren't the price and never will be. It's not a choice that will happen in the real world.
5/30/05, 09:22 AM
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you can get the GTO for so cheap because there's no demand for it. You could argue that the fact nobody seems to want that car makes it better, since it'll be less common... but really, the reason nobody wants it is obviously because of bland styling. If this boring styling doesn't bother you and all you care about is performance, than the GTO is definitely a good buy for you. But if you're comparing the GTO to the mustang in terms of how they succeed in being cars, the answer's pretty obvious. A monkey will realize that there's always been more to a car than just performance, and that design is a huge part of it. Cars are works of art, some of them good and some of them bad. I don't think the GTO is ugly, but it definitely is far from exciting in terms of design.
The GTO is good bang for your buck, but that's largely cause nobody wants them and dealers have to discount them. I dunno if that's anything to be proud of.
I think understatement is sweet, i love sleepers. If I wasn't a ford guy, i'd probably like a GTO cause its a bit of a sleeper. But its performance on the market are an obvious sign that this car is simply not a success, whether you're happy with yours or not.
The GTO is good bang for your buck, but that's largely cause nobody wants them and dealers have to discount them. I dunno if that's anything to be proud of.
I think understatement is sweet, i love sleepers. If I wasn't a ford guy, i'd probably like a GTO cause its a bit of a sleeper. But its performance on the market are an obvious sign that this car is simply not a success, whether you're happy with yours or not.
5/30/05, 09:24 AM
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oof, that was off topic.
as for the poll, i would definitely pick the GT500. neither of the two cars are a sleeper, obviously. Both of them offer way more power than would ever be needed off a race track, i'd take the one that looks the coolest and that doesn't have successful business man written all over it.
once you've got over 400hp, looks matter a lot more for me, and the Shelby looks saweet.
as for the poll, i would definitely pick the GT500. neither of the two cars are a sleeper, obviously. Both of them offer way more power than would ever be needed off a race track, i'd take the one that looks the coolest and that doesn't have successful business man written all over it.
once you've got over 400hp, looks matter a lot more for me, and the Shelby looks saweet.
5/30/05, 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@May 30, 2005, 8:13 AM
The drivetrain is the only thing it has going for it.
The drivetrain is the only thing it has going for it.
You say the drivetrain is the only thing it has going for it. Dont mean to be rude, but isnt that the main thing you look for in a car. Do u first shop for the "pretty" factor of the car or its performance.
Also its got more than just the drivetrain going for it.
If you guys got some extra time on your hands go down to your pontiac dealer and look at one.
They are really nice.
Really, they have a much nicer interior than the mustangs. (again not to be rude)
5/30/05, 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by mustang_sallad@May 30, 2005, 9:25 AM
you can get the GTO for so cheap because there's no demand for it. You could argue that the fact nobody seems to want that car makes it better, since it'll be less common... but really, the reason nobody wants it is obviously because of bland styling. If this boring styling doesn't bother you and all you care about is performance, than the GTO is definitely a good buy for you. But if you're comparing the GTO to the mustang in terms of how they succeed in being cars, the answer's pretty obvious. A monkey will realize that there's always been more to a car than just performance, and that design is a huge part of it. Cars are works of art, some of them good and some of them bad. I don't think the GTO is ugly, but it definitely is far from exciting in terms of design.
The GTO is good bang for your buck, but that's largely cause nobody wants them and dealers have to discount them. I dunno if that's anything to be proud of.
I think understatement is sweet, i love sleepers. If I wasn't a ford guy, i'd probably like a GTO cause its a bit of a sleeper. But its performance on the market are an obvious sign that this car is simply not a success, whether you're happy with yours or not.
you can get the GTO for so cheap because there's no demand for it. You could argue that the fact nobody seems to want that car makes it better, since it'll be less common... but really, the reason nobody wants it is obviously because of bland styling. If this boring styling doesn't bother you and all you care about is performance, than the GTO is definitely a good buy for you. But if you're comparing the GTO to the mustang in terms of how they succeed in being cars, the answer's pretty obvious. A monkey will realize that there's always been more to a car than just performance, and that design is a huge part of it. Cars are works of art, some of them good and some of them bad. I don't think the GTO is ugly, but it definitely is far from exciting in terms of design.
The GTO is good bang for your buck, but that's largely cause nobody wants them and dealers have to discount them. I dunno if that's anything to be proud of.
I think understatement is sweet, i love sleepers. If I wasn't a ford guy, i'd probably like a GTO cause its a bit of a sleeper. But its performance on the market are an obvious sign that this car is simply not a success, whether you're happy with yours or not.
The GTO is a sleeper.
I personally like its simple sleek design.
Your right about it not being a huge hit. I am glad too b/c i got a deal for a really nice car
5/30/05, 09:58 AM
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i wouldnt pay 65-70k for the shelby. and i dont see me paying 65-70k for a vette either. i just dont really like the looks of the new vette. performance is like most other GM products great with an ugly wrapper
5/30/05, 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by wakerider017@May 30, 2005, 10:57 AM
Tom...
You say the drivetrain is the only thing it has going for it. Dont mean to be rude, but isnt that the main thing you look for in a car. Do u first shop for the "pretty" factor of the car or its performance.
Also its got more than just the drivetrain going for it.
If you guys got some extra time on your hands go down to your pontiac dealer and look at one.
They are really nice.
Really, they have a much nicer interior than the mustangs. (again not to be rude)
Tom...
You say the drivetrain is the only thing it has going for it. Dont mean to be rude, but isnt that the main thing you look for in a car. Do u first shop for the "pretty" factor of the car or its performance.
Also its got more than just the drivetrain going for it.
If you guys got some extra time on your hands go down to your pontiac dealer and look at one.
They are really nice.
Really, they have a much nicer interior than the mustangs. (again not to be rude)
5/30/05, 10:42 AM
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This is getting dumb, and I'm tired of editing peoples posts.
-Language filters -> there for a reason
-Don't feed the trolls.
-The 'I can mod it and it has more potential versus what you spent' argument is so lame. If thats the case, I spent 10k building up an old 302, supercharging it and getting a car that will smoke A, B and C into the next century.....lame....
-Language filters -> there for a reason
-Don't feed the trolls.
-The 'I can mod it and it has more potential versus what you spent' argument is so lame. If thats the case, I spent 10k building up an old 302, supercharging it and getting a car that will smoke A, B and C into the next century.....lame....
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