Ok, take this as you may, but I think this is a very good source of info regarding the future SE Mustangs and the SVT Cobra.

So my cousin calls me up tonight and he told me to put a stop on my 05 order because he just found out what is coming in 06. He just accepted a new position in Dearborn, MI where he was dealing directly with the Mustang. He said that Ford will bring back the Mach 1 in 06, as well as the Cobra. I am not sure of the details of the Mach, but he said that the Cobra will have an independent rear suspension and a supercharger. All said and done, the Cobra should be pushing 400 horses. This may be old info, but I thought I would let you guys know, as he heard it straight from Ford.

So what do you guys think of this? I know he is a reliable source of info. He would not divulge where he heard it from, but all I know is he said to stop my order for my 05. I told him no way, because I have been waiting for it for a very very long time!!

 

Well, holeshot, this does actually jive with what another poster's "inside" info said as well.

Looks like Ford has changed its mind re the Mach 1. Originally, Hau Tai Tang said that the next SE they did would most likely not be a Mach 1, since it had been recently done. My personal feeling is that this car screams out for a Mach 1. The other poster with inside info said that the Mach 1 would probably sport a 5.4 liter, normally aspirated engine kicking out 370 bhp. If your contact can confirm THIS, then, ladies and gentleman, I'd say we have a match!!

If it's true:

Hope your contact can get us more details about the Mach 1 - styling...colors...interior alterations...shaker scoop or no...etc, etc.

Thanks for the info.

 

400 horses from the Cobra? That would be more than dissapointing as the 03-04 Cobra produces that much power. 450-500 would sound better

 

There is a lot about this in the rumor mill forum. I'd expect this to get moved there soon.

400 ain't enough. I will be more than that. IRS is a given. SVT said about 6 months ago that the Cobra would be released in '06 as an '07 model with a targeted late spring '06 release date.

Is that what your source meant or did he mean in '05 as an '06 model? Milk him for info and let us know.

 

my guess is se will have a 5.4 n/a motor pushing 350hp/375pf.
cobra will have a supercharged 5.4 pushing 450hp/450pf.

 

id want a mach1 but no waiting for me

 

yup... 400 isnt enough

 

I think it's going to push way more than 400 horses, but your cousin made such a general statement that we've heard a thousand times already

 

Don't forget guys, the 03/04 Cobra is RATED at 390, but we all know that it has more. If Ford wants to rate it at 2 Hp, that's fine with me. Remember, the automakers don't want to attract too much attention from the insurance companies with high HP numbers, and don't forget that Ford got burned once already with the Cobra having less that rated HP.

If its rated at 400HP for the Cobra I think that all of will be VERY happy.

 

I think 69 is right ! If I'm not mistaken, I think I read quite a while back, on Ford's Home Page, that the Cobra was suppose to be pushing over 400 horses. If I'm also not mistaken, I think it also stated that Ford was going to start to try and space these cars apart a bit, so that the hp band would not be the same, or close; on diff. models. [eg: GT would have less hp than the Mach, Mach would have less hp than the Cobra] Did anyone else read this? I stand to be corrected!

 

That is a great point. Probably the best point I have ever seen made on these forums. :worship:

 

What the automakers want, what they say, what they mean, and what they get are different things. The best example I can come up with is their TV ads with Mustangs burning rubber all over the place. The insurance companies would have to be dumb, blind, and stupic to ignore all the hoopla that's going on. Then again, maybe they are.

 

maybe his cousin is the new week-end sweeper/cleaner at the Mustang plant....Not that there's anything wrong with that!

 

i don't think we can go much higher in our insurance class, we are allready even with the corvette.

 

talk about general statements

check my prediction..see if my new job as a fortune teller will work out

i predict the new cobra will have a snake on it somewhere on the paint

 

Personally, I think the Cobra will have a twin-screw blower on it and will make at least 450- 470 horsepower. Combine that with the new platform and you have one awesome car.
What I really want to know is will it have an aluminum block or iron? Anyone heard any rumors or am I blind and missed this in previous threads?

 

Why do yout think it will be twin-screw? Ford has always used roots type simply because they are cheaper. They did a lot of things on the 05 Stang to save money, so why would the case be any different with the SE?

 

I don't care what they rate the Cobra at, as long as it comes with a twin screw instead of a roots. The lower the rated horsepower, the cheaper it be. And as long as the motor is just as stout as it is in 03/04, I can easily make the power that I want .

Shea: They may not have a choice. The Eaton M112 runs out of juice at about 450 rwhp or so, and just starts making heat. Ford has to make a powertrain that will go 100,000+ miles without any issues, and an Eaton would probably be unacceptable at anything over the current power levels. Maybe Eaton will come out with an M140 . Otherwise I think Ford is going to have to use Whipple.

Dave

 

This is EXACTLY what my source is telling me and in fact, there are mules equpped with this setup that have been on the streets.

He did not specify block material nor did he have exact particulars about the engine other than it had forged internals. He also told me that a N/A version of the 5.4 was being tested and planned for an S/E, no date given, but that it had ~370hp.

The Cobra Mule with the 5.4 Twin Screw that he saw dyno'd put a little over 400+ hp - to the REAR WHEELS(!) which equates to a rated 460/470 hp. That, my friends, is one bad snake.

 

Ah, but the insurance companies rely on what the auto manuf. say as far as HP, TQ, MPG, etc. The commercials can show a Civic doing 10.90s in the quarter, but it comes down to what the manufactueres rate the cars as.

I agree George, I think the insurance companies ears are perking up to the 'newfound muscle car wars' on main st, but they have to tread lighty, as trying to be the Nader of the 21st century might be labeled as slander and libelous. Its not the 60s, and companies are very careful of what is publicly said.