I don't know. I couldn't find figures for the enthusiast 350z and '05 GT. I'd bet that the 350z would edge the mustang by a few mph.

It's more than just that or the car with the wider tires would always have the higher numbers. The '05 Mustang GT has much narrower tires than an '04 Cobra, yet the GT has better numbers.

Back on topic: I was thinking how much did the IRS add to the 99 Cobra over the GT's SRA. I found this article below:

http://waw.wardsauto.com/magazinearticle.a...2888&mode=print

Only 70 lbs more to add an IRS. I feel that Ford is just feeding us BS on the cost and weight issues.

Well it actually depends a lot on the actual compound of the tire, plus the contact patch.

You are still missing the point, it's more than just tires. For example, the lotus elise pulls something like a 1.0 g, may be better than that actually. Anyways, you can't contribute that to just the tires (F: 175/55 R16, R: 225/45 R17).

Found an Edmunds article that measures slalom of the 350z, RX8, and MGT:

MGT: 62.5
RX8: 63.9
350z: 63.9

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/...96/page007.html

99 Cobra had 320 hp and similar torque. It would need to be a little more heavy duty to put up with 450+/450 and would likely need to be over engineered to deal with the power that the 5.4L is capable of.

Anyways, I hope you can understand my point in that the benifits of IRS may not be substantial enough to justify the cost. We will never know if HTT is telling the truth on the added cost of $5k and weight of 180#. I don't run an automobile plant so I don't know what adding IRS to 4% of the line would cost. Or the cost of possible warrenty repairs on an untested IRS. Or how much engineering time it took to develope the new IRS. All I can go by is his statement that the IRS is marginally better and in the end the cost outweighed the benifits.

It must be intermission. There hasn't been a post in this thread in nearly an hour. Is everyone catching their second wind?? :jester:

SVT at the time could produce a IRS suspension in a chassis that wasn't intended to house one. I hope that Ford/SVT could come up with a reliable IRS that didn't weighs 2+ times as much as the SN95 Cobras using a chassis that was designed for an IRS. Look at aftermarket suspension parts for the SN95. You can get a full race suspension for 5K from aftermarket companies. You guys are really falling for the propaganda from Ford. I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I can sell you guys.

I can't think of any performance car that uses a SRA, except our beloved Mustang. Everyone else seems to see the benefits, I guess Ford lives in their own little world.

Who are you, Michael Moore?

I have nothing else to offer other than I sure hope that one day Mr. Hai has the opportunity to call me a "SNOB" ...
face to face. :kick:



:peace:

Its still going?!?!

My god....

Oh and I love the fact that some guys are now hitting up the GT500 with vapourspecs...
It'll weigh this, have this...this'll weigh this..the HP will be this...

You're comparing cars that exist to numbers that are not revlealed as of yet.

If you think it'll have 450 only....you're probably wrong.
You say it'll have 19" wheels, but its been stated that'll probably be changed to 18s with some wider meat.

Colletti before his departure probably set in motion his comments about weight being an issue and how eventually we'll hit the cealing on HP numbers....so take that as you will.

Argue all you want about it....until you see concrete facts on this car...
you have NOTHING....

Exactly what I have been trying to say for a while now. I am almost 99.999999% sure that there will be a SRA though. That we know....

Yeah, and it'll have an engine...
Doesn't mean you know how it will perform or how much it'll weigh

You can make a fairly educated guess on the weight. Take the weight increase from the 04 GT to the 05 GT and add that to the 03 Cobras. Will be somewhat accurate, but not exact. Unless Ford uses Carbon Fiber or Magnesium, it will be heaver.

:werd:

You can guestimate all you want. We still won't know until official numbers come out. SVT did not put their touch on the Mustang GT, but they will on the GT500.
And with Colletti's vision of lighter vehicles, like I said, until we see it, we won't know. So its useless to speculate. Don't assume.... we all know what happens when we assume....

Which comes down again, to people slamming whats on a car with no performance numbers that we know of...just because you think it uses old crappy technology.

This whole thread has turned useless.

Even when the car comes out, it'll probably perform like a champ, yet people will still find something to complain about....you can't please everyone.
Everyone wants peformance + 1

Couldn't say it better my self^^^^^^^^^^^




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Went to my local ford dealership today and they said there will be no more GT's made til '06....???... So they are suping all the 6's to look like GT's. THEY CAN'T FOOL ME!!!!



Is this accurate or just a bunch of garbage?

Mr. Tang has created quite the stir, has'nt he? :lol:

No, FOX News. :rolleyes:

Numbers.............. someone asked for numbers.............. have I got some numbers for you !!!!

Straight out of my MotorTrend. Thus, they should all be tested at the same location........... of course, conditions can be different.

I am going to use slalom numbers only, as I feel it is a better indicator of overall handling.

2005 Mustang GT: 66.1 mph (SRA, $25,000)

2004 Audi S4: 68 mph (IRS, AWD, $50,000)
2005 M3 Competition Package: 66.6 mph (IRS, $54,000)
2005 CTS-V: 66.8 mph (IRS, $51,300)
2004 CTS: 63.7 mph (IRS, $43,800)
2004 XLR: 64.0 mph (IRS, $76,200)
2005 Cobalt SS: 67.2 mph (FWD, $23,000)
2005 Corvette Z51: 68.9 mph (IRS, $52,400)
2005 300C: 61.1 mph (IRS, $36,700)
2005 300C SRT8: 67.3 mph (IRS, $43,300)
2005 SRT4: 65.9 mph (FWD, $21,200)
2005 Focus ZX4 ST: 65.7 mph (FWD, $19,500)
2004 S2000: 68.6 mph (IRS, $33,800)
2004 G35 Sport: 65.2mph (IRS, $31,500)
2002 Murcielago: 66.2 mph (IRS, $284,800)
2005 Elise Sport: 71.1 mph (IRS, $43,000)
2004 RX8: 68.1 mph (IRS, $27,200)
2005 SLK55 AMG: 65.9 mph (IRS, $67,400)
2005 Mini Cooper S: 66.5 mph (IRS, $20,400)
2005 Lancer Evolution RS: 69.3 mph (IRS, AWD, $29,000)
2004 350Z Track: 68.0 mph (IRS, $34,900)
2005 GTO: 63.6 mph (IRS, $34,300)
2005 WRX STI: 69.7 mph (IRS, AWD, $33,700)
2004 R32: 66.5 mph (FWD, AWD, $30,600)

There, for your viewing pleasure. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see many that are cheaper............. and that handle better............ well, unless you are talking about FWD econocars and the Mini Cooper S (heck, you could take a Cooper S along........... just throw it in the trunk of the Mustang)

If you want me to add more specs to this list, I will do so tomorrow.