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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 01:05 PM
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Here's a link for the different levels of the gas guzzler tax. Where will the Cobra fall at
on the list.
http://www.liberalartsandcrafts.net/conten...uzzlertax.shtml
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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I am sure Ford will try not to have the tax on the car. The 3.31 in the rear end will help some. I know the 03 cobra had the $1000 tax but the 04 did not. The 04 got 1/2 mile better MPG.
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 05:39 PM
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It's so assinine to collect a gas guzzler tax on cars but not on trucks. The only vehicles that should be exempt are -commercial- vehicles. Just because Soccer Mom wants an Excursion doesn't mean she should be exempt.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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I wonder if the GG tax would kill off any chance of the SVT Shelby Cobra have having an automatic option? I know the '04 GTO automatic had the GG tax.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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The 05 GTO's automatic guzzler tax is $1300. It is probably too close to call at this point with the SC 5.4 liter engine being a new addition.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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I ran a few hypothetical numbers through and here's what I got:

2004 Cobra: 17mpg / 24 mpg (city/highway)

If we assume a 17 mpg city figure (same as the 2004):

28mpg highway = no tax
26mpg highway = $1000
24mpg highway = $1300
22mpg highway = $1700
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 01:01 PM
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I am not sure those number would be right. The 04 Cobra with 17/24 did not have a gas guzzler tax. You show 24 highway at $1300 it is a (55% city/45%highway) combined number. these are EPA numbers and can be tweaked with by the manufacture some. The 04 Cobra does have 3:55 and the 07 is to have 3:31 which should help highway # and even out the 4.6 vs 5.4 difference.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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I got the EPA numbers from Edmunds. Maybe they're out of date and I didn't know it was a 55%/45% combined number. Oh well.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by AbusiveWombat@April 12, 2005, 9:57 AM
I ran a few hypothetical numbers through and here's what I got:

2004 Cobra: 17mpg / 24 mpg (city/highway)

If we assume a 17 mpg city figure (same as the 2004):

28mpg highway = no tax
26mpg highway = $1000
24mpg highway = $1300
22mpg highway = $1700
I got using 17mpg/24mpg no tax with a Unadjusted MPG(combined)* of aprox 23.033.
using 17mpg/22mpg I get a Unadjusted MPG(combined)* of aprox 22.32 and a $1,000
tax. That's if I'm using the formula right (1/(.495/city MPG + .351/highway MPG))+.15
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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The #$%#@% government has no right to charge a "gas guzzler" tax on any car. Buying the extra gas is penalty enough.
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by lodom@April 13, 2005, 3:22 PM
The #$%#@% government has no right to charge a "gas guzzler" tax on any car. Buying the extra gas is penalty enough.
I agree. B)
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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As soon as you OK'ed the f'in liberal progressives to create "graduated" progressive taxes, it was just a matter of time before they tried to tax things out of existence, or micromanage our diet, drinking, smoking, and driving. Velcom to Amerika, Comrades. ;-)
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by dke@April 13, 2005, 3:31 PM
As soon as you OK'ed the f'in liberal progressives to create "graduated" progressive taxes, it was just a matter of time before they tried to tax things out of existence, or micromanage our diet, drinking, smoking, and driving. Velcom to Amerika, Comrades. ;-)
good one
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by lodom@April 13, 2005, 2:22 PM
The #$%#@% government has no right to charge a "gas guzzler" tax on any car. Buying the extra gas is penalty enough.
It's not a penalty, it's a deterrence.
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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It's not a deterrence, it's a penalty. Alcohol and Tobacco taxes didn't deter people from drinking and smoking. But they did invite the government into our lives, and gave them more money to play power-brokers with. Gas taxes don't stop people from driving or driving gas guzzlers. In fact, the law of unintended consequences applies. It made SUV's and sports cars into BIGGER status symbols. The results are since the 1980's, MPG's have been flat -- despite cars becoming more efficient (which means consumption is going UP). That's because it became a status symbol to show your wealth in big/fast cars/trucks, ENHANCED by the amount you can afford to throw down the tank and give to big brother.

Never EVER confuse government programs with common sense. And try not to think like a liberal, that taxing something slows down the activity, that you can micromanage behavior without consequences, and so on. Free markets stink, but they are better than the alternative.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by racerx@April 11, 2005, 11:15 AM
I wonder if the GG tax would kill off any chance of the SVT Shelby Cobra have having an automatic option? I know the '04 GTO automatic had the GG tax.
less than 12.5 $7700 -thats pure BS

i saw a 6 speed 04 GTO that had a 1k dolalr gg tax
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by dke@April 20, 2005, 1:39 PM
It's not a deterrence, it's a penalty. Alcohol and Tobacco taxes didn't deter people from drinking and smoking. But they did invite the government into our lives, and gave them more money to play power-brokers with. Gas taxes don't stop people from driving or driving gas guzzlers. In fact, the law of unintended consequences applies. It made SUV's and sports cars into BIGGER status symbols. The results are since the 1980's, MPG's have been flat -- despite cars becoming more efficient (which means consumption is going UP). That's because it became a status symbol to show your wealth in big/fast cars/trucks, ENHANCED by the amount you can afford to throw down the tank and give to big brother.

Never EVER confuse government programs with common sense. And try not to think like a liberal, that taxing something slows down the activity, that you can micromanage behavior without consequences, and so on. Free markets stink, but they are better than the alternative.
Uhhh, yes it is a deterrence, last time I checked no one forces you to smoke, drink alcohol or buy cars that consume large quantities of fuel. If you still buy those items, it just means that its not a big enough deterrence to stop you from purchasing.

LMAO about the part of me thinking like a liberal, I don't think I am capable of doing that.
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