hopefully not too many. I liked the understated, yet, aggressive look of the '03/'04.

 

Where exactly does it state this? In the article this thread is based upon, it only states An SVT version of the Mustang will debut. I persoanlly have not seen 1 thing that says SVT Cobra to be unveiled. [/b][/quote]
forgive me if i am mistaken but havent all the SVT mustangs made since 93 been called "Cobra", and prior to that SVO mades the 4banger turbo mustang.... I think it is safe to say we will see a MUSTANG COBRA in NYC

 

forgive me if i am mistaken but havent all the SVT mustangs made since 93 been called "Cobra", and prior to that SVO mades the 4banger turbo mustang.... I think it is safe to say we will see a MUSTANG COBRA in NYC [/b][/quote]
The 93 cobra was a Cobra. Did not say SVT on the car at all.

 

it was still made by SVT though...........

 

94 Cobra didnt say SVT either. Wasnt until 95 that they started putting the SVT decal on the back Trunk lid.
I think i see why some of you are thinking the next SVT mustang will not be called a Cobra. And you may be right. But some of you are being a bit ignorant to us who think they would still call it a Cobra. Forgive me but logically it would be called a Cobra. And if you disagree with that logic then you obviously dont realize that all the SVT Mustangs were Cobras. However it certainly is not wrong for you to think that maybe it wont be called a Cobra, cause who knows, you might be right. But again, Who knows?? But it would be nice if you would state your opinion instead of ragging on the rest of us who think that it will be still named the Mustang Cobra. :nono:

 

hopefully not too many. I liked the understated, yet, aggressive look of the '03/'04. [/b][/quote]
I second that

 

It is all about the little snakies on the fenders to the unaware. I would not care as long as it is subtle and serious like the 96-98 and the R. But street creed and 45k + pricing needs something to distinguish it. I personally want COBRA but I need them to get on this as my 97 is due for replacment and I want the SVT.

 

What Do You Think About This...May Have Already Been Posted

SN197 Cobra and MACh 1 Possible info
Copied from SVTPerformance



From an extremely reliable inside source at SVT (who is best friends with my sister's husband), this is supposedly the gospel of a lot of what we will see in the new Cobra. This car is already scheduled to debut at the Detroit Auto Show in January of 2006 with delivery available in mid (May/June) 2006 as a MY2007. Prototypes that are on the streets today are almost indistinguishable from other SN197's other than tires and exhaust note. There are a couple using unorthodox hood arrangements but these are supposedly not the cars with the drivetrains we will see. Here is what I was told will be the heart and soul of the next Cobra. Time will tell...

Motor: 5.4 Supercharged, 3 valve heads (with HUGE valves), forged internals similar to the 4.6 (Crank, rods, etc), modestly rated (under rated actually) ~465 HP/495 lb ft Torque, using a twin screw S/C similar to that on the Ford GT but pullied differently, hence the lower HP. This motor was supposedly made official (in house only) just in the last few days. It will NOT be rated the equal or even close HP-wise as the Ford GT exotic for exclusivity reasons. It will have more restrictive intake/exhaust systems than the Ford GT which is partly to blame for the lower performance numbers. Also, a cold air induction system will purportedly being looked at as an option but may be standard if it can get past the bean counters.

Transmissions: 6 speed manuals standard with a heavy duty 5 speed auto (the tranny used on the Ford Superduty but programmed/geared differently) as an option in late '07 or the '08 M/Y.

Suspensions: A re-engineered, heavy duty IRS will be an option with a modified 3 link/panhard bar-live axle setup as the standard rear axle. SVT will be going for the Road Race buyer as well as the straight line racer with both axles optional. However, the Axle options are not set in stone as of the moment but look highly likely to be approved. The Cobra will be lowered about 1.5" from a stock GT.

Bodywork: The retro theme will continue with a serious nod to the '67 Shelby. The fenders may be flared more than the standard '05 but that is not for certain as of now. The ducktail will be factory installed. Also, no convertible is planned for now but no reason was given other than concerns over chassis reliability due to the torque volume.

According to "John Doe" (he does not want to get 'relieved' of his assignment), only 3 of the Cobra protos built so far have the S/C'd 5.4 in them. There are actually 6 or 7 on the streets now, not all at the same time but there are similarly painted versions of different cars. There are also supposed to be three Protos with 6+ liter motors in them, 2 with blowers, one that is N/A but these will not be used in the next generation Cobra.

Supposedly, the 6+ Liter motors (he does not know the precise specs on them) are a Hurricane based engine with radical camming and a "first for Ford style of fuel delivery." I have no idea what he means by that and he would not elaborate to my sister either - apparently he was only repeating what he was told.

Tires: Alledgedly, the 5.4 S/C'd cars are running 315's on the rears, 275's on the fronts using 18" rims. Similar setups are on the other Protos. However, the 315's may only be optional with 295's being the standard fare.

Performance: The 5.4 S/C'd cars have been clocked in the very low 12's (12.10-12.25) in the quarter at nearly 120 mph and have been traction limited, according to "John". They are also supposedly able to pull over 1 G in handling.

Per "John", SVT is also adding enormous brakes and will be using an air cooled Intercooler, opting away from the water cooled version used previously due to reliability concerns (?). Other touches will possibly include some form of active/adjustable suspension as an option but he did not know much about it.

Supposedly, we should expect a price to be in the very high $30k range (base price - 6 speed, live axle, base tire/wheel combos) according to his sources in the know.

Also - prototype Mach 1's are also on the streets. These are supposedly running N/A'd 5.4's, tuned for 370hp with the 6 speed transmissions for now and debate still ongoing about which auto to use. None of the proto Mach's are running the Shaker hood to keep them cloaked to spying eyes. This car is supposed to appear for the '06 M/Y with some final tweaking to be set in stone by Jan/Feb 2005.

"John Doe" is considered to be an extremely reliable source. He said that Ford will rely heavily on already built/designed components rather than exotic pieces.

He also said that Ford is hoping to stymie the rumored F-body's comeback sales numbers with more powerful engines in the V6/GT Mustang in M/Y 2007 cars, perhaps as high as 20% increases in HP/Torque with 10-12% increases in fuel economy. If true, we could be seeing 320/325 HP GT's in 2007! Purportedly, GM is planning to use detuned LS2's in the F-bodies and Ford wants to head them off early with upgraded 3v motors.

 

Well, your Doe and Mine seem to have the same info. And since mine was right about both the Lightning, and the IUP disaster...i tend to believe him.

 

07Cobra, I really want to believe all that, but, it has already been announced that the SVT Mustang will debut at NY this spring (the subject of this thread). If he were really reliable, he should know that.

 

The onlu problem with that last statement is that a 20% increase in rated hp on the 05 Mustang GT does not make it a 325hp car. It would actually make it a 360hp car as 325hp isn't even ten percent.

 

This information was from around Thanksgiving...So the rest of it is bunk as well?

 

The onlu problem with that last statement is that a 20% increase in rated hp on the 05 Mustang GT does not make it a 325hp car. It would actually make it a 360hp car as 325hp isn't even ten percent. [/b][/quote]
It would be nice to hear you opinion on the rest of the reported statements...Not just the guys ability to calculate...I think it was a general calculation

 

I hope he is right. Do you know the guy or do you just want to believe it? I want to as well, but, I have seen a million "reliable sources" that didn't pan out.

 

Ford is not stupid.... all they said... in quote... "An SVT version of the Mustang will be unveiled at the upcoming New York Auto Show"
That does not mean a Cobra, that does not mean Shelby.
All it means is they will display a version.... 1 version of more than likely dozens that they have developed.
You all... I am guessing have not been to the SVT pre pro garage in Allen Park.... Michigan that is.
I have..... and I can tell you they have many things they are working on.
I saw super stallion there before anyone outside of the comapny.
Anyway... They are not all cobras.... in fact you won't even see a cobra emblem on any of the cars in the garage.
What does that mean...... Wait, I promise you'll be happy.

 

Yah, I am with him. NONE of their concepts that were not made were cobras.

 

hey mcgt got any more info you could share maybe a little on engine specs or styling i promise ill not tell a soul

 

I think that just makes it worse.... :scratch: wondering....wondering...the possibilites. B)




One thing I think we can all agree on. Its gonna kick butt no matter what. SVT doesn't like to dissapoint.







WooHoo! 100 posts.

 

Alright, since you are just dying to know my opinion... I think it could be legit, or it could be partically legit, or it could simply be rumour based on very little real info...no telling really.

None of it is unbelievable from a "would Ford seriously do it this way" standpoint IMHO. I think that we have heard the 5.4L s/c rumour enough times from enough different sources that this aspect is virtually a certainty in my mind. I also think the 3-valve head is virtually a no-brainer no matter which way you guy as there has been zero rumour of a new DOHC head debuting any time soon.

Ford/SVT has also hinted that the car was going to do another 03 Cobra-like "elevation" into a higher class of performance car more than once. They have aklso indicated that this car is what thye intend to go after the Viper?Z06 with. This makes it hard for me to swallow the idea that the car will only make 450hp or less as some here have speculated.

The old car made an actual 420hp (roughly) at the crank, so I could buy that this car might be rated at 450-460hp but not that this is what it actually produces. For Ford to have pumped as much hype into the next Cobra as they have I will be very surprised if the car does not make near 500 actual hp, or even a bit more than 500hp under-rating aside. Because of this I think the hp/tq prediction from the source you cite is believable.

Further, the option of an automatic would not surprise me, nor would the idea of IRS being an option on the car as many "hard-core" drag racers did not care for the IRS in the last snake. Your source would also seem to indicate that the next Cobra would be a "multi-faceted" vehicle with several different ways to have your vehicle within the Cobra line itself....this sounds like a logical progression to me as well. It would also allow Ford to keep the Cobra fresh by offering different packages every so often just as they seem to be doing with the new Mustang. This too fits within Ford's new strategy.

That brings me to a point I have been considering recently. When people argue over wether or not the next SVT will be a "Cobra" or something else...has anybody considered that this same basic car may wear different names in different trims, and maybe even at different times? It would not be hard to imagine a SVT-badged pony and a revived Shelby GT500 as virtually the same car but with a different approach and slightly different features.

Now, back to the subject. Nothing in the information from your source that you cite in the above post is unbelievable. And, the portion where you mention that the source claims the "Cobra" will be shown at Detroit next year actually leads me to believe that it is possibly more legit than we thought. Why?

Notice that the Harley Hauler was debuted at NAIAS, which pretty much tells you that the new Lightning was probably supposed to make it's "production trim" debut there as well. It did not happen because the Lightning got put on hold as we all know. But, this leaves SVT with no production cars/trucks right now and nothing to show the public to keep interest in SVT up or to quiet the rumours of SVT's demise. It is very easy for me to believe that in light of the Lightning's no show at NAIAS Ford/SVT would bump up the show debut of the next Cobra. If this is the case I would also have to wonder if this might lead Ford to bump up the production debut of the car as well.

Just mt two cents on the issue.

 

Sorry, I will not cross a line that might leave doors closed in the future.
Just remember many people here in this forum are in the loop of Michigan Ave politics.
I'm not a glory hound, so I'll just leave it at that.
The only reason I posted this message is to remind many of us SVT does not Live or Die by the Cobra nameplate.
However the responce they get from any introduction... concept or production.. will point to their future.