<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rygenstormlocke @ February 4, 2006, 11:46 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
This is a good find, I didn't know about this software! I'm gonna have excessive email me my files as well.
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Yeah, it's very slick that DynoJet posted the software for free use as a viewer. I mean, why NOT? It certainly makes their product more useful for the end users.

It's a lot of fun messing with different runs, values, etc. The trick for showing A/F is to select a 2-graph layout (button on tool bar, top towards the left). And mouse-over/LEFT CLICK is your friend for changing values, etc.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ February 4, 2006, 2:46 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yeah.. I understand.. We tried to re-tune the Diablo Predator, but its a no go.. I will have to get an SCT2.. Your car is sweet man!! Looks like there is not much out there that worries you! LOL! Not much at all!! Nice job! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
Yes in person, it does sound really darn good.. I knew the series 40 Flowmaster hooked behind the Prochamber would be the perfect setup... It sounds real smooth and deep.. Its really perfected as far as I am concerned.. Not obnoxious at all.. It just sets off every alarm within 50ft of the car @ 1500RPM! LOL!!
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That is a beautiful setup you have!! That Vortech sounds very unique, you got to get this baby to the track man. Pull up next to some unsuspecting import and allow them to appreciate your tail lights and dual exhaust tips. And that is the first time I've seen your rims up close, they are a excellent choice with the WB. I can see what they call it ProChamber, you can actually hear the bass like chamber sound comming from it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hambone @ February 4, 2006, 2:48 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, it's very slick that DynoJet posted the software for free use as a viewer. I mean, why NOT? It certainly makes their product more useful for the end users.

It's a lot of fun messing with different runs, values, etc. The trick for showing A/F is to select a 2-graph layout (button on tool bar, top towards the left). And mouse-over/LEFT CLICK is your friend for changing values, etc.
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Cool, thanks for the tip on AF. I was actually wondering about that. I need to call excessive today and have them email me my runs. All 14 of them, LOL. I'm going nuts without my car, they have had it friday and today, and expect to finish up all the work on her wednesday. I hope they get me some good numbers spending all that time with it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Puerto Rico 4.6 @ February 4, 2006, 11:41 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I prefer the clean A/F curve and the conservative timing approach, feels better in my opinion , specially on centrifugal blowers, more pick up power. Yep u can always lower the pulley size and add ice, but even there a cleaner curve would help , diping into the 9s is a bit extreme on A/fs.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hambone @ February 4, 2006, 11:48 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, it's very slick that DynoJet posted the software for free use as a viewer. I mean, why NOT? It certainly makes their product more useful for the end users.

It's a lot of fun messing with different runs, values, etc. The trick for showing A/F is to select a 2-graph layout (button on tool bar, top towards the left). And mouse-over/LEFT CLICK is your friend for changing values, etc.
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Thanks Hambone!!

No it never dips to 9s Puerto Rico 4.6!!




@Brad!!

The forum is awsome now, thanks!! Your re-tool of the forum has made things alot easier to manipulate!! LOL!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]

 

Yep, DEFINITELY in the tune. With a very, very rich tune up top my car was making 279/279 RWHP/RWTQ. I still need to get it played with... I may wait until some other shops come up with different tunes and then I'll try them out on mine. I've got a diablo predator and and SCT xcalibrator, so I may as well wait around/shop around... see if I can finally get it dailed in to about a 10.5 AF at WOT near redline. That should produce some SICK power.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Belial @ February 4, 2006, 11:56 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yep, DEFINITELY in the tune. With a very, very rich tune up top my car was making 279/279 RWHP/RWTQ. I still need to get it played with... I may wait until some other shops come up with different tunes and then I'll try them out on mine. I've got a diablo predator and and SCT xcalibrator, so I may as well wait around/shop around... see if I can finally get it dailed in to about a 10.5 AF at WOT near redline. That should produce some SICK power.
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You'll get it dialed in Belial.. Me to eventually.. I'm good for quite ahwile.. I wont mess with the tune, until I make a few 1/4 mile runs this summer.. Its staying here for now.. I may add a pulley though, next week..

I dont want to be anywhere around 300rwhp SAE.. LOL!! No.. For me, I like 320RWHP and up.. So give me 1 to 2 weeks to acquire the pulley, then get it put on, and dynod again.. Dont get me wrong the car feels real good, but I just dont like speculation.. LOL!! I want there to be no dout about it.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ February 4, 2006, 2:55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Thanks Hambone!!

No it never dips to 9s Puerto Rico 4.6!!


@Brad!!

The forum is awsome now, thanks!! Your re-tool of the forum has made things alot easier to manipulate!! LOL!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
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Yes, the new forum software is definitely better! +1

Cheers!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ February 4, 2006, 3:37 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Ok guys!! Its a big video.. Cable modems required.. Also, my exhaust is so deep it really pounds my camera, sorry.. But you will get the idea.. Notice when i walk up to the car, my speaker tries to jump out of the camera, for fear of being blown!! LOL!!

Good luck downloading!!

http://media.putfile.com/Flowmaster-Exhaus...h-V2-Prochamber
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Wow, it's just the way you like it, loud! Very nice man! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rygenstormlocke @ February 4, 2006, 2:53 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
// I'm going nuts without my car, they have had it friday and today, and expect to finish up all the work on her wednesday. I hope they get me some good numbers spending all that time with it.
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Rygen--how about some hints [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] I think you said they are tuning the Zex, but you keep teasing us about some surprise....

HINTS PLEASE [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eek.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon24.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hambone @ February 4, 2006, 3:18 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Rygen--how about some hints [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] I think you said they are tuning the Zex, but you keep teasing us about some surprise....

HINTS PLEASE [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eek.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon24.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]
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LOL. You are the first one to ask Hambone. Ok, well here is the official list of things getting done:

1. Zex install finished
2. X pipe install
3. TI (John DeMolet) Tune dyno'd (supposed to take advantage of my NKG's)
4. X dyno

Now, looking at my car, most of you can see it is similiar to Scrming's car. LCA's are in my future, but as you know at 100HP shot he is still breaking loose at the track. I am breaking loose as well NA on hard launches. So I am having a couple of modifications made to the car to focus more on the top end so I can get a better launch. I'm very curious to see what my TQ looks like as well after all of this. Especially with that X pipe, I'm hoping for more top end power.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out and how I do at the track.

 

From the looks of the first graph , i though it was dipping into the 9s . The one u posted right know looks weird, A/F dont flat out like that , specially on the three pulls, looks like it is cutting out below 10.0 , maybe its there A/F reader. Thanks on the car , I still get spanked onced in a while , lot of fast cars around here. Car is doing 451 hp 421 tq SAE at the wheels on a DynoJet.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rygenstormlocke @ February 4, 2006, 12:24 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
LOL. You are the first one to ask Hambone. Ok, well here is the official list of things getting done:

1. Zex install finished
2. X pipe install
3. TI (John DeMolet) Tune dyno'd (supposed to take advantage of my NKG's)
4. X dyno

Now, looking at my car, most of you can see it is similiar to Scrming's car. LCA's are in my future, but as you know at 100HP shot he is still breaking loose at the track. I am breaking loose as well NA on hard launches. So I am having a couple of modifications made to the car to focus more on the top end so I can get a better launch. I'm very curious to see what my TQ looks like as well after all of this. Especially with that X pipe, I'm hoping for more top end power.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out and how I do at the track.
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Nice Job Rygen!! You will be all set.. Sounds like you are definatley not pulling any punches.. I didnt know your car was in the shop.. Been to pre-occupied latley.. LOL!!

But it will definatley be making some good power!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Puerto Rico 4.6 @ February 4, 2006, 12:30 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
From the looks of the first graph , i though it was dipping into the 9s . The one u posted right know looks weird, A/F dont flat out like that , specially on the three pulls, looks like it is cutting out below 10.0 , maybe its there A/F reader. Thanks on the car , I still get spanked onced in a while , lot of fast cars around here. Car is doing 451 hp 421 tq SAE at the wheels on a DynoJet.
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WOW! Your making some darn good power man!! Sweet! We will see how everything plays out on my end.. Its going to take some time, along with several Dyno runs to see whats going on exactly.. I do however like the tune thus far.. Its a good start for us 05+ V6er's.. It should be safe, so in that I think its a good tune to ship out the kits with.. I wouldnt expect them to take chances with all the different variences of engine dynamics of the 05 V6 Mustangs..


But anyway, very nice numbers indeed Puerto Rico 4.6! Very nice! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ February 4, 2006, 4:29 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Nice Job Rygen!! You will be all set.. Sounds like you are definatley not pulling any punches.. I didnt know your car was in the shop.. Been to pre-occupied latley.. LOL!!

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Thanks man. I have been waiting for 3 weeks for my shop to fix thier dyno, finally I got some time to finish up my projects. I used those three weeks to focus on my two appearance mods. They are also going to give me a track tune for my Zex and I will have a dyno for that too. Scrming has given me a bench mark for NA and N20 on the auto, so I told Chris (my tuner) he needs to beat those numbers (no offense Scrming, but it is the arms race after all!).

It sucks though, I am going to be with out my baby for 5 days possibly more because of all the work being done. Just to give you an idea, Chris can fill an 8 hour day on one car with the dyno alone trying to make a perfect tune.

No way I will catch up to your numbers, but I am hoping for a strong showing. And, I will finally post a before and after dyno for the X pipe. This is the important part so people can see what gains the X gives alone.

I will switch to a SC/TC, then I will put in the prochamber and LT's as perscribed by my shop.

 

Ok guys.. Been working some numbers for getting to 12psi...

Keep in mind, the Aftercooler is responsible for 2 psi on its own.. So when calculating for pulley increases you must think in terms of boost which is without the Aftercooler.. I have calculated that using a 2.62 size pulley will effectively get me to 12psi...

Engine rpm @ 5500rpm or shift point With the Stock 6in Crank pulley..

Stock Setup= 8psi

3.25in Pulley

Impeller Speed = 35030.77rpm

Total Boost = 8psi

Total impeller rpm speed per psi of boost = 4378.84625 rpm

2.87in pulley

Impeller speed = 39668.99rpm (To find the real numbers, you must divide by the original per psi number)

Impeller speed increased by = 4638.22rpm

Total Boost = 9psi

2.62in pulley

Impeller speed= 43454.2rpm

Total Boost = 10psi

Impeller speed increased by = 8423.43rpm ( This value is above the stock value of 35030.77)


Total Boost of Vortech Supercharger System = 10psi - up from 8psi of the stock system---without Aftercooler

Total Boost of Vortech Supercharger System with Aftercooler = 12psi

So effectively this means the 2.62 pulley is the 12PSI pulley and the 2.87 PSI pulley is the 11psi pulley total with aftercooler.. Basically the 2.87 pulley will give this system a 1psi increase.. While the 2.62in pulley will give the system an additional 2psi of boost...


Remember when thinking about pulleys, you must calculate first without the aftercooler psi increase.. If you try and factor the system increase by pulley size using the additional psi gained from the aftercooler, you will be mis-calculating the entire system dynamics..

So now my decision is do I first add an additional 1psi of boost and get a dyno pull.. ? Or do I go for the entire 2 additional psi of boost and call it a day... I am really interested in knowing how a 1psi increase will effect the HP and TQ numbers.. It is more than likley that I will do both starting with the 2.87 pulley first..

 

Additinally when thnking of the boost increase we take into account the A/F ratio of the stock system which is a 10.9 ratio.. However after carefully analyzing the dyno information, I am more inclined to believe that the level is closer to 10.0-10.5 A/F..

So the question is, how much will an impeller increase change this ratio.. This is when you think in terms of using the stock tune provided by Vortech on the Diablo tuner.. We know that a 1 psi increase will increase impeller speed by 4638.22rpm.. So it becomes really important to understand exactly how much air this is in relation to stock as it relates to the 10.9 A/F ratio or there abouts..

It would be very easy to calculate the amount of HP and TQ increase 1 additional psi of boost makes.. However, the way it changes the A/F will effect the final numbers.. It is my belief that a 1 psi boost increase should raise the A/F @ WOT to about 1 whole point above stock.. To about 11.9 A/F.. I could be wrong.. I am in the early stages if understanding.. It could move it to 12.9, I'm not sure..

Taking a 1psi increase and disregarding the A/F ratio will effectively place us at 364HP @ the flywheel.. Now we know it is clear the system is running rich by way of Vortech's intention of maintaing a saftey zone.. So this number could easily shoot up without the need to re-program the Diablo Tuner..

Likewise a 2psi increase of boost would place the @ the flywheel power to 378HP.. Again this number could shoot up additionally because of an A/F ratio increase.. So it is possible that this increase will most likley put me over 400HP @ the Flywheel SAE...

I will add more when more thought is put into it..

 

When u add more boost into the motor, in other words more air, the cpu is going to be registering this increase in the amount of air entering the engine and will add fuel to compensate.I am sure it will get a bit leaner but not by a whole A/F point. As far as boost and HP goes , i have always heard that a pound of boost equals 10-15 horpower.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Puerto Rico 4.6 @ February 5, 2006, 8:30 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
When u add more boost into the motor, in other words more air, the cpu is going to be registering this increase in the amount of air entering the engine and will add fuel to compensate.I am sure it will get a bit leaner but not by a whole A/F point. As far as boost and HP goes , i have always heard that a pound of boost equals 10-15 horpower.
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Thats what I was thinking.. I was not sure if the A/F ratio set by the tuner would compensate for the air, and add more fuel.. Thanks! I have been thinking about this all day.. So essentially It appears that the pulley change will change HP pretty much based on the pulley change and the psi gained..

So basically adding an additional 28HP or slightly more for an additional 2psi of boost.. Which would be the 378HP SAE number.. I can atleast feel safer knowing the A/F will stay more towards the safer side of the equation in the 10.x range keeping the saftey zone..

Thanks for chiming in Puerto Rico 4.6! That was knowledge that I was not sure about.. Still well worth the extra 28HP + until I get an SCT2, if I decide.. We'll see what happens.. If I am lucky, I mean really lucky it may slightly lean out the A/F ratio sooner... Doubtfull..

 

I was going over the numbers for the 2.62 inch pulley, and discovered that it will effectively put me at 10psi at 4500rpm as opposed to 5500rpm... What this means is I should be at 300RWHP and 300RWTQ by 4500rpm with 1000 more rpm to go, and 2 psi of boost left..

I'm going to be buying this pulley today.. I find it hard to believe I will only gain just 28 more RWHP with 1000 more rpm to go and 2 psi left.. I think it should be more.. We know the SOHC 4.0 is rev happy and tends to do good between 4500 and 5500 rpm.. So I am hoping I get extremely lucky.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] Keep your fingers crossed!!

 

Ok guys, the stage is set.. The 12psi pulley is shipping today.. This feels like a frieght train to 400HP SAE, that I cant stop! Chooo Chooo!! LOL!! It turns out the 12psi pulley is actually the 2.87 in pulley.. The 2.62 inch pulley is 14psi! LOL!! Jesus, I would have been in for a huge suprise.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]

The 14psi pulley will happen once I get the forged dished Wiseco pistons, or atleast some copper head shims to lower the compression ratio.. But for the sake of the entire engine, it will have to wait for the Wiseco pistons.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]

So, anybody willing to hedge their bets that we get this pig to 400HP SAE @ the Flywheel with a mere pulley upgrade? Keep in mind, 10psi will be had between 4000 and 4500RPM... I sure would hate to be the guy in the other lane! LOL! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]

Guys, I have been mandated by the GODS of the Mustang to bring you the best 2005 V6 Mustang experience I possibly can.. I wont dissapoint.. I know I take alot of heat for valid reasons, but I am persistant about making your 2005 V6 Mustang purchase worth every penny in the end.. It is through me, you will see the light.. I will show you how its done!!

Well, I wont be alone.. There is another member here who has already ordered his Vortech setup, identicle to mine.. So this means soon, I will have a companion to help shelter you from the ferocious but mighty GT's!!

In fact, after going over the GT's dyno sheet, and viewing Brads setup, I am pretty impressed with the GT overall N/A.. The GT's engine N/A is awsome.. Its amazing how powerful it is with just a good tune and CAI!! N/A GT's will definately present us with a few obstacles at the track when tuned properly... This 12psi pulley should limit a N/A GT from causing us many problems at the track.. With the 12PSI pulley we will focus our attention to GT's running NOS!

But like many have said, that power will have to somehow manifest itself to the ground.. Thats gonna be the hard part!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img]

 

Wow, can't wait to see the numbers on that! Is that going to require a higher octane gas? Hey, if you blow the motor, super six motorsports is now selling a balanced and blueprinted 4.0 short block with forged internals for $3000. You can get either 8.8 or 10 CR. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 6, 2006, 12:50 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Wow, can't wait to see the numbers on that! Is that going to require a higher octane gas? Hey, if you blow the motor, super six motorsports is now selling a balanced and blueprinted 4.0 short block with forged internals for $3000. You can get either 8.8 or 10 CR. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]
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Please give me as many excuses as possible for getting my wife to let me get that short block!! LOL!! Dude, all I need is a good excuse.. I'm working on one right now.. Give me some time.... With my wife, I need good reasons for things!! She wont let me just spend it just to spend it.. Give me another good reason to tell my wife why I need that new shortblock with 8.8 CR!! Please I beg you!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]