Oil Analysis Report
3/31/07, 04:38 PM
#21
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Well, I just changed the oil and used Mobil1 5-30. I figure with summer on it's way, it can't hurt to try it and see if that helps the metal levels. I will be resampling around 5,000 and see what happens. I'm going to hold off on any additives for the time being, it just seems to me that they are a band aid of sorts...a last resort. The wear metals are not normal for some reason, and I want to know why, so I'm only going to change one thing at a time until I figure it out. Otherwise if I change more than one thing at once, if the problem goes away, I don't know what fixed it.
3/31/07, 08:05 PM
#22
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Keep us posted in this thread. It'd be interesting to see the effects of using 5W-30 in the same engine that has shown higher than normal Cu and Fe wear with 5W-20.
4/1/07, 10:09 AM
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I think you're referring to Lucas Synthetic Oil Stabilizer: http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...tid=2&loc=show
p.s. As of this weekend, I have switched to Lucas Oil synthetic oil. And the beauty of it... it's all free.
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p.s. As of this weekend, I have switched to Lucas Oil synthetic oil. And the beauty of it... it's all free.
Lucas Oil is a sponsor of the Stangpede Race Team, so anyone on the team basically can get all the Lucas Oil products we need or want... and not just oil. I have enough oil in my garage now to last a long, long time. Many, many thanks to Lucas Oil for supporting our Race Team! If you're in the San Diego or SoCal area, and want to join the Stangpede Race Team, drop me a PM. There's more than free Lucas Oil products for you. We have a more than a dozen other sponsors, too (and more on the way).
4/1/07, 11:30 AM
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With all that iron floating around, maybe you should consider one of these:
http://www.filtermag.com/?app=Automo...storedimg.y=10
http://www.filtermag.com/?app=Automo...storedimg.y=10
4/1/07, 11:47 AM
#26
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I'm really curious if I'm alone here, or if this is normal for these engines. I'm thinking that the lab uses averages from similar (4.6L) engines. I'm betting they didn't differentiate between the 3V and 2V (or 4V for that matter) engines, even though they are drastically different animals.
4/1/07, 12:46 PM
#27
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Here's a UOA of Amsoil 0W-30 in a 2005 Mustang GT:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...rue#Post248196
Slightly higher than normal copper, and the Iron wear is close to yours. I'm looking for UOAs from other 3V engines.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...rue#Post248196
Slightly higher than normal copper, and the Iron wear is close to yours. I'm looking for UOAs from other 3V engines.
4/1/07, 12:52 PM
#29
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2003 Mustang GT (4.6L 2V V8):
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...rue#Post233809
Steve's probably on to something here. Is it possible the VCT parts have to break-in after a certain amount of time?
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...rue#Post233809
Steve's probably on to something here. Is it possible the VCT parts have to break-in after a certain amount of time?
4/2/07, 03:14 AM
#30
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I did some major research on UOA's tonight and discovered Blackstone is using averages for the 4.6L engine without differentiation between the 2V and 3V engines (which are totally different). If you look at the averages on this report vs. my report, they are the same even though this is a 2V engine. http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...=10#Post772633
I'm going to call Blackstone tomorrow and see what they say.
I'm going to call Blackstone tomorrow and see what they say.
4/2/07, 03:55 PM
#31
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Just got off the phone with Blackstone Labs and I informed them of the problem, they said they would make a new file for the 3V engines and resend the report. He said the Copper might be normal for this engine, but was still concerned about the iron. He said the new Hemi's are shedding copper left and right, so this engine might be too. Either way, at least they now know the 3V engines are different than the old 2V's.
4/2/07, 04:03 PM
#32
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I wonder what causes that extra copper and iron wear in the 4.6L 3V engines. The lower end shouldn't be drastically different. The only thing different in the hydraulic system is the VCT and that shouldn't be wearing out.
4/6/07, 06:28 PM
#33
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Blackstone just sent me a new report with amended averages. THEY STILL GOT IT WRONG!!! Even after I spent 10 minutes on the phone with one of their techs explaining the differences between the regular 4.6L and the 24V 4.6L, they still listed it as a 32V 4.6L DOHC! Not the same.
At least my averages are more normal on this one.
At least my averages are more normal on this one.
5/15/07, 01:44 PM
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I could believe the copper is related to the VCT, but the iron? I don't know how the VCT could be causing high iron in these engines. Either way, it does seem more and more normal for these engines to have high iron. We shall see in my next UOA if 5-30 makes a difference. 2500 miles to go...
5/15/07, 07:07 PM
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If you will join this group you will find your answers.
Great site:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...eads.php?Cat=0
5/15/07, 07:14 PM
#39
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I am interested in seeing if 5W-30 will have any effect on the copper and iron wear numbers. The biggest difference between the 4.6L 3V and the 4.6L 2V in terms of the hydraulic system is the addition of VCT.
