My alignment report
My alignment report
Note: car has been lowered 1-1/8"
Camber
Min Nominal Max Actual
-1.25 -0.75 -.25 -1.80
Caster
Min Nominal Max Actual
6.60 7.20 7.60 7.70
Toe
Min Nominal Max Actual
-.10 0.10 0.30 0.03
My dealer does not recommend camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1 as it is highly labor intensive and weakens the structure of the component.
So, which would you pick: Ground Control's Caster/Camber plates at ~$375 CDN or Steeda's Billet camber plates at ~$270 CDN and not worry about the caster adjustment? I imagine the labor for the caster/camber plates is likely double that for the camber plates.
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Note: car has been lowered 1-1/8"
Camber
Min Nominal Max Actual
-1.25 -0.75 -.25 -1.80
Caster
Min Nominal Max Actual
6.60 7.20 7.60 7.70
Toe
Min Nominal Max Actual
-.10 0.10 0.30 0.03
My dealer does not recommend camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1 as it is highly labor intensive and weakens the structure of the component.
So, which would you pick: Ground Control's Caster/Camber plates at ~$375 CDN or Steeda's Billet camber plates at ~$270 CDN and not worry about the caster adjustment? I imagine the labor for the caster/camber plates is likely double that for the camber plates.
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Originally posted by Redfire 05Gt@May 30, 2005, 9:41 PM
My alignment report
Camber
Min Nominal Max Actual
-1.25 -0.75 -.25 -1.80
Caster
Min Nominal Max Actual
6.60 7.20 7.60 7.70
Toe
Min Nominal Max Actual
-.10 0.10 0.30 0.03
My dealer does not recommend camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1 as it is highly labor intensive and weakens the structure of the component.
So, which would you pick: Ground Control's Caster/Camber platesat ~$375 CDN or Steeda's Billet camber plates at ~$270 CDN and not worry about the caster adjustment? I imagine the labor for the caster/camber plates is likely double that for the camber plates.
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My alignment report
Camber
Min Nominal Max Actual
-1.25 -0.75 -.25 -1.80
Caster
Min Nominal Max Actual
6.60 7.20 7.60 7.70
Toe
Min Nominal Max Actual
-.10 0.10 0.30 0.03
My dealer does not recommend camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1 as it is highly labor intensive and weakens the structure of the component.
So, which would you pick: Ground Control's Caster/Camber platesat ~$375 CDN or Steeda's Billet camber plates at ~$270 CDN and not worry about the caster adjustment? I imagine the labor for the caster/camber plates is likely double that for the camber plates.
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I had the local garage remove my struts, I then opened up the area for the camber plates (Steeda). The garage then installed my struts and aligned the car. They charged me $75. I had about an hour of work myself on them. Your mechanic is probably right about weakening the strut,if all you do is slot them. The Steeda plates,although expensive are first rate and supply the needed support on the slotted holes.
I would use the plates, and get those numbers in order. You are off on every item it seems, you will like it better in spec than out. If you dont you may pay a lot more down the line, since tires arent cheap etc.
Originally posted by bullittman+May 30, 2005, 4:45 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bullittman @ May 30, 2005, 4:45 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>You're over the limit.......Over time you would probably see more wear, other than that
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It pulls nice and quick into the corners...
I had the local garage remove my struts, I then opened up the area for the camber plates (Steeda). The garage then installed my struts and aligned the car. They charged me $75. I had about an hour of work myself on them. Your mechanic is probably right about weakening the strut,if all you do is slot them. The Steeda plates,although expensive are first rate and supply the needed support on the slotted holes.
Originally posted by sodaman@May 30, 2005, 4:56 PM
I would use the plates, and get those numbers in order. You are off on every item it seems, you will like it better in spec than out. If you dont you may pay a lot more down the line, since tires arent cheap etc.
I would use the plates, and get those numbers in order. You are off on every item it seems, you will like it better in spec than out. If you dont you may pay a lot more down the line, since tires arent cheap etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-Blazing Saddles@May 30, 2005, 5:50 PM
FYI: Oval holes are actually stronger than round ones. At work I make a part for the CFM56 jet engine. This part rotates at 40,000 RPM's and has 48 oval bolt holes in it.
I wouldn't hesitate for a minute on useing the camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1. There are probably millions of cars on the road today that use a cam bolt to adjust the camber. As for labor intensive, sorry I just had to laugh at that one. It would probably take all but 15 minutes each side. I'd find another place to get your frontend done.
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From what I've read about 204-000-1 I think it gives another +/- .75 of adjustment? If so, that would get me down to -1.05 which I think would be acceptable. Otherwise at shop #1 I'm looking at 270 + 137 + 47 = 454 to have the Steeda plates installed and the alignment done again. (That's $365 USD)
My camber was way off and I had the 204-000-1 procedure done on my car. I am just within the tolerance levels. Front tires, especially drivers side are still noticably at an angle, however, uneven tirewear should be minimal. I don't see how "notching" the strut will make it weaker.
Originally posted by rony1976@June 3, 2005, 11:36 AM
who has caster/camber plates available? Just camber plates adjusters from Steeda?
who has caster/camber plates available? Just camber plates adjusters from Steeda?
Originally posted by Redfire 05Gt@May 30, 2005, 3:41 PM
My alignment report
Camber
Min Nominal Max Actual
-1.25 -0.75 -.25 -1.80
Caster
Min Nominal Max Actual
6.60 7.20 7.60 7.70
Toe
Min Nominal Max Actual
-.10 0.10 0.30 0.03
My dealer does not recommend camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1 as it is highly labor intensive and weakens the structure of the component.
So, which would you pick: Ground Control's Caster/Camber platesat ~$375 CDN or Steeda's Billet camber plates at ~$270 CDN and not worry about the caster adjustment? I imagine the labor for the caster/camber plates is likely double that for the camber plates.
[attachmentid=22776][attachmentid=22775]
My alignment report
Camber
Min Nominal Max Actual
-1.25 -0.75 -.25 -1.80
Caster
Min Nominal Max Actual
6.60 7.20 7.60 7.70
Toe
Min Nominal Max Actual
-.10 0.10 0.30 0.03
My dealer does not recommend camber adjustment procedure 204-000-1 as it is highly labor intensive and weakens the structure of the component.
So, which would you pick: Ground Control's Caster/Camber platesat ~$375 CDN or Steeda's Billet camber plates at ~$270 CDN and not worry about the caster adjustment? I imagine the labor for the caster/camber plates is likely double that for the camber plates.
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This is BS having to mod and spends so much money to make a new car ride correctly. Ford should do this mod at there expense.
Originally posted by killo-11@June 3, 2005, 11:45 AM
This is BS having to mod and spends so much money to make a new car ride correctly. Ford should do this mod at there expense.
This is BS having to mod and spends so much money to make a new car ride correctly. Ford should do this mod at there expense.
Ahh, Michael (killo-11), you're right, I guess iI should have stated that. Just that with all the threads that have been talking about camber have been in relation to lowering springs, I guess I overlooked that detail.
My apologies...
So, everybody, given two choices 1) Steeda Billet Camber Adjusters or 2) Ground Control Caster/Camber Plates, which one would you go with?
Now, if Maximum Motorsports only had theirs available for the '05...a quick phone call and...not this month, most likely July!
My apologies...
So, everybody, given two choices 1) Steeda Billet Camber Adjusters or 2) Ground Control Caster/Camber Plates, which one would you go with?
Ground Control Camber / Caster Plates: Correct camber adjustment at the top of the strut. Caster adjustment, aircraft bearings, engraved with calibrated degrees. Every component is anodized or plated, including fasteners. Adds extra travel to avoid excessive bottoming out, this is a very well engineered product.
Camber and caster are adjustable by sliding the mounts, without removing any components from the car. The priority of this design is to allow repeatable alignment changes which the 2005 Mustang needs.
The Ground Control camber plates feature a bearing and a bushing, which allows for articulation of the shock shaft. The steering bearing is very under stressed, as the Ground Control design does NOT articulate the steering bearing
Camber and caster are adjustable by sliding the mounts, without removing any components from the car. The priority of this design is to allow repeatable alignment changes which the 2005 Mustang needs.
The Ground Control camber plates feature a bearing and a bushing, which allows for articulation of the shock shaft. The steering bearing is very under stressed, as the Ground Control design does NOT articulate the steering bearing
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