FRPP Super Pack
6/4/07, 11:03 PM
#21
Mach 1 Member
Well it's out of the shop and running great with the Ford Racing/Whipple non-intercooled s/c 5-6 lbs boost. It pulls pretty good, pushes you back in the seat nicely. I also got my CHE Performance rear upper control arm installed and no more wheel hop.Got one quick run off today with the G-timer in the 80 degree heat after driving all afternoon and snapped off a 13.47 at 107 mph(sea level corrected to 13.12 at 110 mph). So it has some potential.
But I suspect I'll do the intercooler upgrade next year and up the boost to 10 lbs.
Hopefully the weather will be OK Friday night so I can get in a couple of passes at the track.
It looks much better in person.
But I suspect I'll do the intercooler upgrade next year and up the boost to 10 lbs.Hopefully the weather will be OK Friday night so I can get in a couple of passes at the track.
It looks much better in person.
6/5/07, 12:49 AM
#23
Mach 1 Member
Have you ever had your car to the track? I don't know if you are aware that altitude and temperature have a great effect on the time's that a vehicle runs.This was also the first time I ran it through the gears with the supercharger. So there is a lot more left in this car and with a little more practice I'm sure it will see 12's on the stock tires(with drag radials it would be a done deal). The supercharger is not the cheapest bolt-on but it made my car quite able to obtain 12 sec runs in the quarter and still drive like a stock Mustang(plus it sounds and looks amazing). My goal was to be able to run high 12's-low 13's and still maintain driveablity-goal achieved. So I say
and whatever to your ignorant remark.
6/5/07, 01:10 AM
#24
Bullitt Member
Join Date: April 11, 2007
Posts: 350
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
anybody know who makes a methanol inj system that kicks in at 2-3 lbs of boost? Dont need the intercooler then and can add more boost also.
It uses windshield washer fluid and very sparingly too.A few qts. could last months. I want to add this to an existing dual intercooled Saleen 475HP kit I have on now..
07 Hoss
It uses windshield washer fluid and very sparingly too.A few qts. could last months. I want to add this to an existing dual intercooled Saleen 475HP kit I have on now..
07 Hoss
6/5/07, 03:50 AM
#25
GT Member
Join Date: February 20, 2007
Posts: 105
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cd vision, Congrats on the Whipple!! Northwest GT, just go for it. Got to love that low end torque of a S/C. I'm looking at s/c's now, but I'm leaning towards the magnacharger. A couple of people on the boards have them, with good results, and at $4800 shipped, can't beat that. I'm not looking for an all out drag demon, just want to be in the 400/400 rwhp/torq club.
6/5/07, 08:55 AM
#27
Mach 1 Member
Cd vision, Congrats on the Whipple!! Northwest GT, just go for it. Got to love that low end torque of a S/C. I'm looking at s/c's now, but I'm leaning towards the magnacharger. A couple of people on the boards have them, with good results, and at $4800 shipped, can't beat that. I'm not looking for an all out drag demon, just want to be in the 400/400 rwhp/torq club.
6/5/07, 10:29 AM
#28
Dethroned Nascar Guru
Oklacop got 321rwhp from his automatic with the non intercooled whipple and FRPP tune. Doug at bamatunes got it up to 344rwhp
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showpo...22&postcount=1
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showpo...22&postcount=1
6/5/07, 10:46 AM
#29
FR500 Member
Join Date: August 23, 2004
Posts: 3,153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
321 rwhp
That's horrible. There's a boatload of people making that much N/A without so much as a CAI/Tune and Longtubes.A Saleen at 4lbs makes in the neighborhood of 360-380.
And let's just say that it is nowhere even near what they claim themselves:
NON INTERCOOLED SC SYSTEM
The standard Mustang SC kit boast the industries latest twin-screw supercharger, the W140ax which shares similar technology to the Ford GT supercharger. It also comes with a new aluminum intake manifold, 34lb/hr fuel injectors, Ford Racing spark plugs and PCM flash tool, 95mm MAF, cold air induction system with massive S&B air filter, billet inlet venture for increased air speeds as well as an oversized air-bypass system. This SC system pumps out nearly 415RWHP with 6-psi of boost and is easily upgradeable to the HO intercooled system. The non-intercooled system is available for automatic and manual transmission equipped vehicles.
The standard Mustang SC kit boast the industries latest twin-screw supercharger, the W140ax which shares similar technology to the Ford GT supercharger. It also comes with a new aluminum intake manifold, 34lb/hr fuel injectors, Ford Racing spark plugs and PCM flash tool, 95mm MAF, cold air induction system with massive S&B air filter, billet inlet venture for increased air speeds as well as an oversized air-bypass system. This SC system pumps out nearly 415RWHP with 6-psi of boost and is easily upgradeable to the HO intercooled system. The non-intercooled system is available for automatic and manual transmission equipped vehicles.
6/5/07, 10:48 AM
#30
Cobra R Member
Join Date: August 23, 2004
Posts: 1,945
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My statement was not a personal dig at you. It was merely a statement of what I observed in the article. Its about different strokes for different folks. No way would I invest that much money for so little return but that is what makes us different.
To answer your question. Yes indeed I do drag race my car. 13.6 on street tires with a JLT in an automatic.
To answer your question. Yes indeed I do drag race my car. 13.6 on street tires with a JLT in an automatic.
6/5/07, 11:07 AM
#31
Mach 1 Member
Some of you guys are just far to negative and just don't get it and take information out of context.Instead of bashing a guy why not try offering helpful sugestions to improve ones performance. As for 321hp, I'm sure there were some issues with that car whether it was the tune, fuel or whatever, I don't know.
6/5/07, 12:00 PM
#32
Dethroned Nascar Guru
In the MM&FF article they mention
EDIT: Just found in the MM&FF article what the baseline #s were:
Another non intercooled whipple data I found online got these numbers with the following mods:
355rwhp 342rwtq with FRPP Shorty Headers, X-Pipe, and Axleback installed (not sure if it was a auto or manual). The baseline without the S/C was 282rwhp and 299rwtq, so it was a gain of 73rwhp and 43rwhp.
a gain of almost 85 hp and almost 44 lb-ft of torque
The car recorded a peak horsepower of 251.1 at 6,300 rpm and a max torque reading of 265 lb-ft at 4,200 (Figure 1). After we put on the blower, we let Project MILF rip on the dyno again, and we saw the power increase to 335.8. As is the norm, the peak torque number increased as well, peaking at 308.5 lb-ft at 4,300 rpm (Figure 2). The math equates to a horsepower increase of 84.7 and a torque increase of 43.5.
Another non intercooled whipple data I found online got these numbers with the following mods:
355rwhp 342rwtq with FRPP Shorty Headers, X-Pipe, and Axleback installed (not sure if it was a auto or manual). The baseline without the S/C was 282rwhp and 299rwtq, so it was a gain of 73rwhp and 43rwhp.
6/5/07, 03:36 PM
#33
Dethroned Nascar Guru
Another non intercooled whipple data I found online got these numbers with the following mods:
355rwhp 342rwtq with FRPP Shorty Headers, X-Pipe, and Axleback installed (not sure if it was a auto or manual). The baseline without the S/C was 282rwhp and 299rwtq, so it was a gain of 73rwhp and 43rwhp.
355rwhp 342rwtq with FRPP Shorty Headers, X-Pipe, and Axleback installed (not sure if it was a auto or manual). The baseline without the S/C was 282rwhp and 299rwtq, so it was a gain of 73rwhp and 43rwhp.
Stock: 251rwhp, 245rwtq SAE corrected
Whipple Non-IC: 324rwhp, 300rwtq SAE corrected (+73hp, +65tq)
http://www.dynoperformance.com/dyno_...ynorun_id=1023
http://www.dynoperformance.com/dyno_...ynorun_id=1058
Seems right in line with OKLACOP's results before he got it tuned by Bamachips.
In summary the 4 dyno results I've seen for non-intercooled whipples
1. 355rwhp/342rwtq (FRPP Shorty Headers, X-Pipe, Axlebacks, 282rwhp/299rwtq w/out S/C)
2. 336rwhp/309rwtq (251rwhp/265rwtq stock)
3. 324rwhp/300rwtq, (251rwhp/245rwtq stock)
4. 321rwhp (with FRPP tune and 344 with Bamachips dyno tune)
6/5/07, 04:17 PM
#34
FR500 Member
Join Date: August 23, 2004
Posts: 3,153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would have expected more out of it for the price, and that's all I'm saying about it.
The intercooled kits make for some great numbers, I just wasn't aware that the non-intercooled kits actually performed at this level, especially considering that they advertise this as being able to go to 415rwhp, their own words. I mean, even take into account the additional driveline loss for an auto and some fudge factor and you're still nowhere near what they claim.
At least it's upgradeable, and we all know the intercooled kits do very well. I wonder if the power output would be any different with an intercooled kit, but using 5-6 lbs of boost rather than 8-10?
6/5/07, 05:24 PM
#35
Banned
Join Date: August 16, 2006
Posts: 1,633
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
IT'S AN AUTOMATIC
And not to rain on anybodies parade, but that's what Mongoose was getting at.
321 rwhp That's horrible. There's a boatload of people making that much N/A without so much as a CAI/Tune and Longtubes.
A Saleen at 4lbs makes in the neighborhood of 360-380.
And let's just say that it is nowhere even near what they claim themselves:
So I agree with Mongoose. (I never thought I'd see the day where I'd say that!)
321 rwhp
That's horrible. There's a boatload of people making that much N/A without so much as a CAI/Tune and Longtubes.A Saleen at 4lbs makes in the neighborhood of 360-380.
And let's just say that it is nowhere even near what they claim themselves:
So I agree with Mongoose. (I never thought I'd see the day where I'd say that!)
6/5/07, 06:48 PM
#37
Mach 1 Member
6/5/07, 06:49 PM
#38
Dethroned Nascar Guru
In stock form autos average 259rwhp on a dynojet, while manuals average about 271.
Just a guess on my part but I would think a manual GT equipped with a non-intercooled whipple would come in between 335 and 360rwhp.
Just a guess on my part but I would think a manual GT equipped with a non-intercooled whipple would come in between 335 and 360rwhp.
6/5/07, 06:53 PM
#39
Dethroned Nascar Guru
you would have 355rwhp, which would make sense when compared to the dyno #s above since you have a manual GT and those were autos.
For comparison, a stock GT (270rwhp) with a 200lb driver comes in at 13.876 @ 98.229 MPH
This is inline with what various magazines got when they tested stock mustang GTs.
Car and Driver, Dec 04: 0-60: 5.2 (manual) 1/4 mile 13.8
Car and Driver, Jan 05: 0-60: 5.1 (manual) 1/4 mile 13.8
Road and Track Dec 04: 0-60: 5.3 (manual), 1/4 mile 13.9
MotorTrend Jan 05: 0-60 5.1( manual), 1/4 mile 13.5
6/5/07, 07:00 PM
#40
Mach 1 Member
Assuming you and your car weigh 3750 (3450lb stock + 100lb supercharger + 200lbs for driver & other mods), then according to this site http://www.dragsource.com/index.php?...s&calctoview=5
you would have 355rwhp
you would have 355rwhp
I'm happy with that number. That puts it pretty close to 100 rwhp more than stock. Plus there's still more in it.
Thanks for the info.