1 BULLITT, you cropped me out of the picture! Wasn't I good enough for your avatar? Here's another where Carroll is smiling better, though it's already been pointed out that he could use a better razor for Christmas. Hope I look that good at 85! He was slow-moving, but he still had a great sense of humor, and it was great to meet him.

And I still don't like the WRX.

 

Actually I kinda like the SGT myself. In fact, much like youfor some reason this car just holds a lot of visceral appeal for me in blue. When rebates on the 08 creep up a bit (assuming that they do) it wouldn't be unthinkable that I might even consider one myself if I could get it without the side scoops and without the hood scoop. (the side scoops drive me nuts, it's just a thing with me and the S197, the hood scoop is an issue I can remedy so it is livable) Since I obviously can't I'll take a pass. The problem is in a comparo like this on the SGT is going to take a beating for reasons we both know all too well and it frustrates me.

 

That's the best approach for an educated buyer, having the knowledge of the product and conviction to make a choice without the need of validation from the product's promoters, magazine experts, or fellow enthusiasts. It never ceases to amaze me how influential others' perceptions and acceptance play such major roles in many's decisions to justify and feel happy about their cars.

 

I was apprehensive as to the royalty fees you might be entitled to.

 

When all of this is said and done, the bottom line is even though the Subaru (top of the line unit) does out perform SLIGHTLY the SGT, not many people at all actually like or BUY them.

Subaru TOTAL SALES (includes every vehicle Subaru makes) for 2006 = 16,190 units

Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt, what will that be in '07? 17,000 units? The Mustang alone appeals AND sells more than Subaru does in ONE MONTH. Okay, maybe a month and a half.

Moral of the story: More power does not a successful vehicle make
AKA: Camaro & GTO and possibly soon to follow THE RETURN OF CAMARO.

BTW, the Subaru is even uglier than it's 3 year old cousins.

 

Subaru makes GREAT cars.....FOR ME TO POOP ON!

 

When will we see the Shelby WRX?

 

When he finds a way to make money off of it . . somehow, someway . . .

 

It's already the right color, just needs some silver stripes. I figured out why the STI won. It's blue! Blue cars are the fastest

 

Mark,

You look surprisingly good in a bikini!

 

Ahhh, the good old days. This thread reads just like all the others have since the site was just getting started. In fact, some of the same players are still making the same arguments.

Ford has made some of the most powerful, best built, best handling Mustangs ever in the last few years. And people are still complaining about them.

Bench racing aside, buying a car is about how it makes you feel and how big the grin gets on your face. Most people don't race them anyway.

I'm still so giddy about my Shelby that I find excuses to go to the garage just so I can see it sitting there. I don't see that same satisfaction from a Suburu, faster or not.

 

Hey, I'm just the messenger here, it's these two mags that rated the Shelby GT 2nd out of 2 and 4th out of 4.

Now of course, its all probably just part of a big commie-pinko, quiche-eater, Ford hating, Mustang-ran-over-my-foot, have-it-in-for-Shelby, New World Order, Masonic, evil alien invasion plot thing ... but that's what they said.

 

That's actually an old picture I found of Hillary Clinton.
I did that very thing last night. Stared at it for about 10mins and thought, "Wow, that's my car!"
Do your homework, weigh all the pluses and minuses, and buy based on what will make you happy, not on what others think.

This includes aftermarket parts too. If putting cobras and a GT500 front facia on your V6/GT makes you happy, then screw what anyone else thinks. JMO.

 

Woah... let's calm down here, Burningman. We buy cars b/c we like them. I'm getting the Bullitt b/c I'm happy with the performance specs and it's nostalgic to me. I could care less if the moron next to me at the light has a bigger performance aspect... for every fast car, there is a faster car.

 

The "Cool Factor", Demonstrated:
I just went to an auto parts store to get oil for my snowblower, and the 18-something kid working the counter went all "oooh and aaaaah" over my Mustang (sitting there all filthy with a crack all across the windshield). He said Mustangs are the coolest cars, and he'd kill to have one, but his parents wouldn't let him. He then pointed out his WRX (spotless and obviously in great shape) in the parking lot which he seemed disappointed in. And this from a kid who should be more into modern technology than old-school retro. His wasn't an STI, but then mine ain't a Shelby, either. Fast just can't replace style...

 

Right on the money Crazyhorse. There are production Mistubishi Evo's in this world that will outrun some current production Aston Martin's in terms of acceleration and seriously best any existing production Aston Martin on a road course. I must've missed the slew of posts regarding how much better a Mitsu FQ whatever is than a DB9 since some of the posts in this thread would lead you to believe this is the case.

The reality is that there are a lot of things that make a car great and absolute numbers are simply the tip of the iceberg. In fact, I'll say something many folks wont like regarding this issue. If pure numbers and stats are soley, or even primarily, what someboyd employs to judge the value of any vehicle, even a performance car, they aren't an enthusiast...they're simply somebody who can read a magazine.

 

That is exactly what I meant by "bench racing."

Mustangs have a way of stirring your soul. I have regretted selling each one I have owned and couldn't wait to get another.

Even though they have always been undervalued by the press, they still manage to outsell everything else in its class. The Camaros of the 80s and 90s were better performance cars, but, they still did not sell nearly as well as the Mustangs. There is a reason for that. People love them.

As far as the Shelby issue goes, why shouldn't he make money? That is what businesses do. At least the ones that want to stay in business do.

How much profit do you think they make on Peyton Manning or Kobe Bryant jersies? Selling your name for sales is not a new concept.

 

I am sure at the first opportunity you would blindly and trusting take your life's savings and go to business with him just as you would allow your kids to attend a Michael Jackson daycare.

He should make money but not at the expense of a foundation, stealing, cashing in, or taking credit for someone else's ideas, or just plain deceit, all attributed to decisions made with his own free will and proud admissions. It doesn't matter how it's sliced, history and facts cannot be altered. He is loved by apologists who choose to ignore his character deficiencies and detested by those who have a slight sense of morality and honesty. His main nemisis for his mid life accomplishments has been none other than his own character or lack of one. You need to look no further to find the reasons why Ford gave him the boot after the 1967 MY.

 

I think you have clearly explained some of the negative attitudes of the Shelby GT in a nutshell. People don't like HIM so they will not like any car with his name on it. I think that's what some are saying here between the lines, using their judgment of him to color judgment and justify negative comments of the Shelby GT. I'm just trying to understand the underlying reason why so many of you guys seem intensely (and unaturally) interested in bashing this particular car. I can understand if you don't like it, but spending so much time here trying to upset others on this subject seems really weird?

 

That's what I was saying in post 51 of this thread. I believe much of the criticism of the SGT (but not all), stems from many folks personal dislike of Mr Shelby. Some will jump at every chance to stick it to the man, and the Edmunds article provided the latest opportunity. I don't love the car because of Mr Shelby (love it because it's a modern intereptation of my favorite stang-1966 GT 350), and I would hope that people wouldn't hate it because of him either. It's an inanimate object. Maybe "SGT" should also stand for ScapeGoaT.

For what it's worth, Henry Ford has been called a racist, anti-semite, Hitler lover etc. Yet we still buy cars from the company he founded. Mitsubishi built the aircraft that attacked the US at Pearl Harbor, and BMW used slave labor from concentration camps in WWII. Yet most of us don't consider any of this when discussing their cars. Probably because it was a long time ago and Mr. Shelby's controversial activities have occured more recently.