That reponse is so retarded I'm not even sure how to respond.

My point was if you were looking at these two cars as options (amongst others for the thickies out there) then this info is good to know. Or if you were even just curious for the sake of curiosity. For the sake of this thread i limited it to the two.
I for one am glad I know how it stacks up now on this front.

Man you really need to have this stuff spelled out for you don't you?

 

Hey Doug,

Check this out
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/512873921.html

You gotta jump on that deal before someone steals it from you

 

Only if you buy it for me and then I can sit and watch you strip the shelby crap off it and then burn it for me.

 

Oh I understand what you're trying to say. But I think it's you that is retarded- I'm willing to bet that not one person on this board is looking at wanting to get an STi!!!
So you're not helping anyone and all you're doing is getting people pi$$ed at you.

I would think it makes more sense to compare the STi to this-
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...first-dri.html

 

I'll take that bet..go back and look at post 26..first sentence..cross shopping the STi with a bullitt..now mind you it is a bullitt for the sake of your argument in your last post you are wrong. Now i agree he does seem to be leaning toward the stang but he obviously has other factors to deal with and still wants a fun car so it still could go STi. But the point it he IS looking.

And yes you are right the evo probly is a better camparo and my money would be on the evo but this thread is about the STi and SGT

and if you are getting pi$$ed about this then get some perspective and realize that in the big picture my opinion and yours mean nothing to the universe.

Oh and one other thing I said your response was retarded..not you.

anyway this thread has been dragged off topic enough. I'm not gonna argue this any further with you

 

Well since you thought my response was retarded- and I wrote my response, then you are really calling me retarded. Which I don't really mind- this is the internet and this stuff always gets over blown.

You honestly can't say you're surprised by the response you've been getting from everyone- can you?

 

Isn't the Shelby GT a SE model? Aka, a GT with Shelby badges and SUBTLE modifications? The comparison is really the $27k GT vs the $37k STi... that's a bit more than $300 "as tested"...

 

Gee, just trying to lighten things up. I guess I caught you at a bad time.

 

DING, DING, DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!

Slow, very slow.

aaaaaa . . . . . . bbbbbb . . . . . . cccccc . . . . . . dddddd . . . . . . . . . .

 

I'll have to give the dash a closer look.

 

Absolutly not

 

Slow week, maybe, but certainly not a Mustang hater.

The upcoming Camaro and Challenger may not be wonder cars, but its probably prudent to assume they will be very good cars as the Dodge Charger / Pontiac G8s might hint at, and certainly nothing to be dismissed. The regular Hemi cars are indeed quick, despite their weight (but these are four door sedans/wagons too) and low rear end ratios. The SRT 8 models are genuinely fast in my estimation and they all have very good suspensions.

As for the Camaro, GM has a whole arsenal of small block V8s to load into the engine bay -- up to 500hp at this point if they so choose -- and the G8, which shares the Camaros chassis, looks to be very competent too.

And as for pricing, the $40K for an very well spec'd and equipped Challenger SRT8, as well as the very competitive $30K or so GM will be charging for the G8 bode that overpricing will likely not be a disqualifying factor either, ADMs accepted of course.

Sure, either manufacturer could flub these cars, but I think the more likely scenario is that the Stang will have some serious direct competition.

All this will be fanstastic for us car enthusiasts as they will not only broaden the choice of fine performance machinery, but also impose a level of price discipline into the Pony Car niche and spur better content, value and performance as good competition tends to do. So even dyed-in-the- wool Stangers will benefit in the end, even as Ford's easy salad days as the sole foal in the Pony Car field come to an end.

But until the Camaro and Challenger come on the field, and if not the STI, just what should the SGT be compared to in their price classes? C&D did a four car comparo with the SGT where it didn't fare too well either for many of the same reasons as in the Inside line comparo (yeah, I know, it's all a big commie pinko, Mustang-hating conspiracy).

 

So... it went from #2 out of two to #4 out of 4?

Clearly you are a MUSTANG HATER...
and a FORD HATER...
and a SHELBY HATER!

 

If we keep this up we can get the Shelby GT section posts back ahead of the Bullitt section.

 

Which is better: WRX STi or Bullitt?

 

Who's driving?!

 

I think that the Bullitt, or even the GT500 for that matter, would have made for a better comparo. To explain my statement....I'm sure the point here was that both cars in the comparo start at about 35k, but while this sounds great on paper I don't think the reasoning holds up under scrutiny.

First, the Shelby GT represents the worst dollar per performance ratio in the Mustang lineup at MSRP. (sorry AF Blue) Virtually everybody interested in a Mustang is already well aware of this and to use another comparo to point out what has already been pointed out in at least one other comparo and more than a few stand alone reviews is a bit like beating a dead horse, particularly for a car which likely wont be produced past this model year.

Second, sticker price similarities aside I would be willing to bet that both run of the mill Mustang GT's and top of the line GT500 are more likely to be cross shopped with WRX STi's than is the Shelby GT. In fact, once prices are regularly at msrp I'd be surprised if the GT500 isn't the most common Mustang model cross-shopped with the latest incarnation of the Uber-ru despite the gap in price. And since the argument behind similar price points is based in the logic that this breeds cross shopping I think this should have been given more consideration.

The reality is that this comparo puts the Mustang in a worst case scenario position to compete. Do I think Edmund's set out to handicap the pony? Not at all. I think the base msrp's made this a bit too easy, and the added glitz of the Shelby name over-ruled the reality that A Bullitt GT offers more or less everything the Shelby GT does for a bit over 31k to start. The fact that a lower price also manages to get the buyer better seats, better balance, and a better ride than the SGT can offer is the icing on the cake.

I'm disappointed because IMO the Edmunds article just isn't very interesting, particularly informative, or terribly relevent at this point. WRX STi versus Bullitt would have been an interesting little bit since we would get to see if the Bullitt's very subtle good looks, much improved seats, improved handling/balance, smoother than SGT or WRX STi ride, and lower price point could trump the Subie's race track ready approach. GT500 versus WRX STi would likewise have been more interesting since we would be provided with the opportunity to see if the Subie's slash and thrust approach could keep up on the track and in subjective scoring with a car which is much like the description used for the Bullitt above only with a huge advantage in power and possessing an appearance which says 'I'll kill you in your sleep and nobody will care because I'll look so d***** good doing it.'

Just my two cents

 

No need to apologize. I knew exactly what I was getting and why I was getting it. No regrets.

This thread will pale in comparison to future threads that will discuss Shelby GT vs Bullitt magazine articles (you know they are coming; the comparisons are unavoidable). Now that will be some fire works. Can't hardly wait.

I will go out on a limb (not really) and predict that the Bullitt will be the declared the winner in those comparisons (simply because it has similiar performance at a cheaper price)

 

I have loved Mustangs since I could walk and I bleed Ford Blue. I love Shelby Mustangs and until recently I had alot of respect for the man himself! I am tired of the Ford bean counters that give us just enough to get by. Mustangs don't have to be "World Class" and compete with $100,000 cars, but they could be alot better. You can have the so called SE's with their tape stripes, cold air kits and exhaust. You can have the overpriced + $20,000 dealer markup, non-handling monstrosity named after a greedy old chicken farmer that use to build some really cool Mustangs!!

It is time for Ford to step up!! The base Mustang V6 is going to have 275+ HP soon which is more than the 2004 GT with a V8 came with. This is what I want for ford to give us in the GT or any SE that comes out and I know I am not alone:

Give me a Mustang that weighs 100 to 150 pounds lighter with 50/50 weight distribution.

Give us 4 doors (2 rear suicide doors ala' RX8), it does wonders for insurance rates.

Have Jackie Stewart work out the suspension at the Nurenburgring!

Give us a IRS option. That along with the front suspension that Ford copied from BMW and 50/50 weight distribution would make a nice handling car. Especially if Jackie Stewart set it up at the "ring".

Give me at least 350 hp, preferably 400...I don't care if it is a TT DOHC V6, 4.6 DOHC, 5.0 L or V12.

GIVE US A 6 SPEED TRANNY w/.50 6th for Gas Mileage!

Give us some Big Brakes!!

Fire the Interior designers and hire some new ones.

I think Ford may finally get the exterior design right this time around.

The Mustang is a cool car in its base form, it gets alot of looks and is fun to drive. If Ford would do some of the above changes it would be a more rounded car. I know what some of you are thinking "If they did that it would cost $50,000". I think Ford could keep it under $35,000 and if you couldn't afford that then a 275 hp V6 that is 200# lighter than the GT with 50/50 weight distribution for $23,000 wouldn't be a bad ride.

 

"Shelby's name, in and of itself, would be worth $100 dollars to me"

Judging by your posts, I have no doubt this is true. The name itself really means very little to you. But you can't expect to get that name badging for $100, of course . This is a special edition low volume car, and you are expected to pay a little more to own one. If the fact it was modified by Shelby (and fully warranted) means little to you, then by all means build one yourself to your own specs, and enjoy.



"essentially paying nearly $40K for what ought to be a $31K car (now that would be quite reasonable and an excellent value)."

You must be dreaming, that's just about sticker price on a well equipped, new GT. No one could buy a new GT and have all these parts installed professionally with a factored in warranty for $31K.



"I don't expect the SGT to be the fastest car in all the land, but I do expect it to be fully competitive on its own merits and stand its own ground, without recourse to sentimentalism, against any other contemporary performance car of similar coin."

Oh, I think it does, but you and the article fail to appreciate it. If top performance was the one and only thing that mattered we would all be buying something else, but looks and style and many other attributes play into the character of any car. I always find it funny that people harp on the fake scoops, like this was the very first car to have them. They are simply part of the style, just like a curved fender or a nicely shaped tail light. They just make the car look better to some people. And I don't want to hear form the guys who say they don't like them because they do not add to the performance, then take off all the crap you added because most of it is just dead weight. Why buy a Mustang in the first place, it has tons of additional weight. A lot of people buy them because they look good and have heritage, which is lacking in most of these foreign cars which will never be classics.



"Where I could have spent the same amount bolting this stuff on my 05 GT I would STILL have an 05 GT with parts I would get pennies on the dollar for were I to sell it"

Right, and on top of that all these extra parts are fully warranted. And the drivetrain retains it's original warranty, which would certainly be in danger of cancellation had you done these mods yourself. Just the tune would void your warranty. I owed a '06 GT and spent about $10K on it doing all sorts of mods, and it was still not as nice as the SGT. And that's all I got for them, pennies on the dollar, hehe. I also read about tons of guys who "do their one mods" and some who are honest had problems with them. Not everyone is skilled enough to do all of these performance mods, and if they took them in to do them by a professional it would most likely cost what Shelby charged.


"better seats, better balance, and a better ride than the SGT"

That's pure speculation, in who's opinion? It would depend entirely on what you consider would be a better ride or a better balance. If you mean a softer ride, you might be right, for instance an older gentleman with a bad back might like it better.