You don't seem to understand. We don't need a point, 3 Series sales figures say it all.

And when Rrobello said "Ford sells a ton of V6 Stangs, does that make it a bad **** car?" Well the answer is yes, in its market segment, it is the best car available, so many are sold. What does that remind us of? The 3 series.

 

And hence, you send this **** 360 degree circle spinning once again. The point being made was that, EVEN THOUGH they sell so good in the market doesn't mean the car rocks. Just because many people WANT and GET the car doesn't mean its the best of the best out there. Hell, there are 16-year old girls and boys getting the 3er left and right simply because their parents see it fit for them. And then there's the tards that get the 3 series so they can attend a party and proudly say "I have dee 3 serius..." Do you really think all the BMW driver's give a rats *** what the car offers? Of course not, they barely even know what a inline 6 means.


It seems that maybe your missing the point being made here.

 

like ghost gt said, I was simply stating that sales does not make a car a good car, it makes it a good marketed and good selling car, but it could very well be the worse car on the market. so the answer to my ? is actually NO, what makes the V6 mustang a good car isnt that they sell a lot of them or that it is their marquis car, now it may very well sell well because it is a good car but good sells does not equate a good car, it is good marketing. People buy a lot of Scions does this make it a good car?

 

of course not

 

I havent seen any pics on board other than the links so here you go.

 

I have an 05 GT AND a 3 Series BMW

 

cool what year ..mine is a 2002. someone here has a red GT and red 330i...i cant find the pics.

 

Whoever goes with this sweet ride.... had or has a red 330i also.

 

found it. It's cool but I still give the Stang the garage and the BMW has to stay outside.

 

Wow, do any of you guys arguing with robello and ghost actually read their post? They provide real world experience about the 3 series and write a thorough argument stating why they aren't the best cars out there. Yet all I see is people saying "BMW's are the best cars cause I say so and a couple magazines as well" No facts or experience to back it up just useless baseless opinions. If you guys believe the 3 series and M3's to be good cars provide some facts to show it instead of calling names and acting like little children.

 

Because somehow "other companies" professional opinions are less valid than yours?

Or because I don't "get" BMWs because I've never owned one, even though I have several friends who have?

According to who? You?

 

We have. You choose not to read or believe it, because it doesn't fit your "world view."

So be it, but at the end of the day, I'm sure BMW couldn't care less what a handful of Mustang owners think. BMW isn't faced with potential insolvency. Ford is.

Nuff said.

 

the point is I used statitics taken from a reputable publication, you used their opinion, there is a big difference

 

So, ah... did I mention my '07 Grabber range GT is due at the dealership in 9 days? Just thought you should know...

 

The point is oh so long ago I told you "don't be an idiot" and you reacted by changing from "BMWs are crap" to actual citation of statistical evidence. Though youre still wrong--and probably at least a little idiotic-- you are less now than you were before.


Btw, would you really prefer an S40 to a 3 series??

 

I own a 2005 Mustang GT, bone stock.
Before coming to the USA in 2003, my last two cars there were two BMW M3 (the present model with a 3.2L + 343 hp (2001-2003) and before that the previous shape M3 that had a 3.2L with 321 hp (1997-2001). In the USA the present model has 333 hp and the one before I believe only had 240).

These two cars can't honestly be compared, because the only thing they have in common is that I believe they can be considered sport (or at least sporty...) cars.
This said, I would like to point out that here in the US, quite a lot of people have a narrow minded attitude and I mean they only consider what a car can do when accelerating from a stand still and in a straight line (do these people all live where all roads are straight ? I find it hard to believe...).
In Europe people give much more importance to the handling of a car and it is with this purpose in mind that the M3 was created. An M3, when going on a racing circuit or simply in a road that has curves, might as well be an UFO when compared to a Mustang GT, as far as handling is concerned: it could run circles around a Mustang GT all day long...
My Mustang is a darn fine car that costs very little compared to a BMW M3, but in my opinion an M3 has better materials, more refined technology and very good performance overall. This package, including the fact that it is a BMW (which in Europe equals to overall great quality. My two M3 there never had any problem whatsoever...), makes it cost much more than a Mustang.
Bottomline, you chose what you like and can afford, but to even imply that a car like an M3 is not a good car, it's just a huge mistake.

 

I agree, but unfortunately, those trashing the car in this thread don't want to hear it.

 

Big difference, huh? I guess that's why different publications and media outlets get "different" statistics...because "stats" aren't biased at all, or based upon an individual journalist's driving acumen.

I'll take professional impressions anyday over "stats."

 

Were they comparing an M3 or a 3 series(325, 330)?

FWIW, I would take an Audi (that's in the same class) over a BMW any day.

 

thats great, but if you read the thread we were talking about the 3series BMWs not the M3, which was pointed out again and again, we also werent comparing the 3 series to the mustang, just to other cars in its class, the M3 is a great car, just not my cup of tea for the cost, and as for the handling, I dont know too many people in the US that drive insanely fast around turns on a public road, I dont know how they do it in Europe (must be fun doing 80+mph around those turnabouts) but it doesnt seem too smart no matter what the car is. as for something that we can compare cars to other cars to on a public street that does happen a lot more often than autocrossing on the streets is drag racing (also not completely safe) so since it happens more often here in the US then racing through turns I do think that comparing the acceleration in a straight line is more practical. but if you did want to compare the handling, it wouldnt cost much to make the stang outhandle the M3 and still come in way under the cost of the stock M3 setup, I know youre now comparing a stock car to a moded one but the fact remains the cost of the modded car would still be less then that of the stock one when all is said and done.