hey folks!

so the challenger is 0-60 in 5.2 sec cause it weights 4150 lbs!!

i'm hearing Camaro is over 4000 lbs too!!


so, our S197s...nothing to worry about!

with some bolt-ons..we'll keep up

 

History will repeat itself. The Camaro will outperform the Mustang and the Mustang will outsell the Camaro. The Camaro may win the race, but the Mustang always wins the girl.

 

haha WELL SAID

 

Challenger lists the SRT8 with an AUTO tranny going 0-60 in 4.5s? I'm sure they will work to improve that with the release of the six-speed. I'm not so sure a couple "simple" bolt-ons will do it, but for the $38,500 MSRP and $20K ADM I'm sure we could come up with something to keep up. Maybe the GT500?

 

Not to dog you, but what does adding some bolt-ons do for you? Couldn't they just add a couple also? I'm more interested in stock vs. stock. We should be keeping it close right there alone.

 

Just read C&D and they are saying the Challenger SRT8s are 4.7 second 0-60 with a 13.1 second quarter and toping out at around 173ish.

I'm fine with where the GT is, The GT500 is the SRT8 killer, what Ford needs is something in between to do battle with the Camaro its gonna offer SRT8 performance for about Bullitt pricing.

 

When those two release, the GT500 will be had for sticker, finally. (hopes)
There's your answer. But GT's? Bolt on's? You think those guys with 6.0+ 's won't mod? They have WAY more potential for less $$ than our 4.6's. If they make enough and sell enough, the aftermarket will be all over it.

 

Let the fun begin By the time the camaro hits the street... I'll be ready

Yah, those engines are no joke though. They take to simple bolt-ons very well.

 

Or you'll be 90 years old!

 

that too lol

 

By the time those 2 ugly cars come out... My motor will be built with my Blower... They won't stand a chance if any of those pull up next to me.....

 

come on guys....ITS NOT ALL ABOUT SPEED!

 

Got to love competition! Everyone wins when the manufactures compete.

 

well, my Whipple goes on this week, so....bring 'em on!

 

For the price difference the mustang is barely slower, so with that extra 10k you have after buying the stang you can add CAI and tune for 500 and have a car just as fast and $9500 left in the bank.

 

I'm not sure that there is much point in comparing the Mustang's existing lineup with that of the upcoming Camaro since it appears we will have an entirely new engine lineup, including a new V8, by the 2011MY. That roughly translates into one calender year and change after the Chevy debuts given the expected debut date for the Camaro, so we wont have 'old' Mustang engines facing the new Camaro for very long.

We also don't quite know how weight will stack up yet either, although it seems there is a very good chance this will slant in our favor. A V8 G8 is about 4,000lb, so I would expect the somewhat smaller Camaro to weigh a bit less than that. However, the Camaro is still a fairly large car with a long wheelbase, and since well executed coupes tend to be heavy for their size compared to sedans on the same platform I would be very surprised if it is as light as a Mustang GT. If a real world, base V8 Camaro doesn't weight more than 3,600lb I'll be extremely impressed.

Also worth mentioning is that some recent comments by people like Fourcam have indicated that a lot of the developmental decisions involving engines, major components, etc. for the next Mustang were/are being heavily influenced by the need to hit the specified target weight for the car. Of course this could just be Ford trying to keep the Mustang from packing on any pounds, but assuming that the upcoming engine choices for 2011 are going to be the 3.5L V6, 5.0L V8, and possibly a twin force V6 somewhere in the mix the above should hardly prove a challenge since the basic chassis isn't changing and the car isn't getting larger. The 5.0L V8 shouldn't weigh much if any more than the existing 4.6L V8 does while the 3.5L V6 weighs notably less than the existing 4.0L does.

This and Ford's recent remarks that they would like to see a lighter fleet in the future makes me wonder if Ford hasn't put the next Mustang on a diet and if we can expect at least a slightly lighter car next go-'round. And since lighter=faster that would be a very good thing.

 

I think one thing that will hinder the Mustang is the lack of IRS both the Challenger and Camaro will have it. I agree that in drag racing the Mustang will benefit from this but I bet that the Mustang will be the worst handling of the three. Though the weight distribution is decent in the GT the GT500 is way to nose heavy and Ford is going to need to address this to compete with the top Camaro model. I'm guessing that it will have the Z06's 7.0 that I think is a lighter motor than Ford's SC 5.4.

I still think that Ford will have the top selling pony car but make no mistake about it Ford's Mustang sales are going to drop significantly and maybe that will help us pick up SE's without a markup.

 

5thgen.org has long been reporting that the LS7 is a confirmed no-go for the new Camaro. As for the GT500, we'll almost certainly have a significantly different version on the streets by the time an uber-Camaro shows.

 

I do think GM is working on a motor that'll be somewhere between the full-on LS-7 and the current Vette's LS-3(?), maybe something in the 450-475hp range. That power, combined with the all aluminum LS motor's light weight should make for a very impressive top dog Camaro.

 

You would be surprised at how well as sorted out stick axle car can handle. The Camaro SS (iirc) was able to best the vette around one of GM's test tracks. Something GM was keen to keep out of public knowledge at the time.

If Ford pars the weight down a few ticks and could find it in its heart to put bigger and more capable tires as an option (we know 255/45R18s work with no problem) and sharpen the handling, the Mustang won't be at a big disadvantage when it comes to "handling" (heh, pun intended) the competition.

Personally I'd like to see them ship some chassis engineers and the next GT over to the Nurburgring for some hot laps.