429 Boss Mustang

half a second really aint to impressive for a car with a 100 more torq and power

97GT03SVT

Well i'm just curious to see the performance numbers of the other two Challenger models for 09'. Tests have been done and the GT500 is the better performer compaired to the SRT8. The GT/Bullitt should be matched up against the R/T model with 370HP. In my opinion these magazines and websites are being payed off by Dodge.

I will bet on it that every one of these 08' SRT8s will sell for a minimum of 20k above sticker! These cars are even rarer than the 07-08 GT500 and look what kinda prices they fetched in two full model years!

429 Boss Mustang

exact im not wasting my money on a dodge this year and hopfully the camaros are a better performer

97GT03SVT

I'd bet the farm on the Camaro being faster. The G8 is considered a better performer than the Charger and the Charger is to the Challenger what the G8 is to the Camaro. GM has so many great V8s that they can stick into the Camaro so power won't be an issue. I think the biggest problem for both the Challenger and the Camaro is that they will market themselves as premium sports coupes (expensive). Rumors have the base V6 Challenger selling for about $27,000 (about the price of a GT Mustang) and Bob Lutz already confirmed that the Camaro will be priced higher than the Mustang!

edumspeed

$27K for a BASE Challenger!! Are they nuts! That's stupid. If they tag them that high they will kill sales before the cars are out. A GT would be a better choice for that amount of dough.
Ridiculous price tags. That was the cause of the demise of the RX-7, the Supra, Camaro/Firebird and the 300ZX.

bob

But not much more than the Mustang, probalby in the neighborhood of 500-1000 more for a comaprable model if the internet clack is spot on. I also think global sales will figure into the pricing structure as well.

429 Boss Mustang

still ill take a mustang over a camaro and challanger just my opinion

bob

Of course, I prefer the Mustang to both, but if GM is true to its word the F5 will be an excellent deal.

429 Boss Mustang

just maybe but everytime theirs a big event coming up like this GM always just slaps their corvette engine in somthing to compete its the same dame thing over and over just in a diff car. But we will have to see

karman

Do you think the Camaro will sell outside of the USA with any real numbers?

429 Boss Mustang

Karman does have a point i bet their will be sales but not many at all

bob

Sure; Austraila, Canada, Middle East, various countries in Europe and Japan are the easy ones, Mustangs are there despite being s US product only and part of the strategy to make the F5 affordable and viable is an international presence. Something Ford didn't actively pursue and I doubt Dodge will either.

ScottyBoy302

And?

If youve already got some good machinery sitting there with all the R&D already paid for why not get some use out of it? The corvette engines are some of the best V8s in the world, it would be ridiculous for them to put something else in the camaro just to 'be different'.

97GT03SVT

I forgot the exact quote but Lutz stated at a recent auto show that it would be more expensive and offer more features I also remember reading it will be about $2500-$3000 or more. This makes more sense too. The platform is much newer and expensive to make, has IRS, a most likley Corvette motor with cylinder deactivation and a lot of other cool GM goodies. Remember the 4th gen cars, A Z28 was about the same price as a Cobra while the SS is 3-4k more than the SVT! The WS6s were hitting mid $30k range back in the early 2000s too! Trust me it's gonna be much more than $1000 or so more.

karman

Are you related to this misguided individual?
"GM vice chairman Bob Lutz forecast Camaro sales will top 100,000 units a year worldwide."
C'mon, the last TWO years total of the last Camaro didn't sell that many and gas was a lot cheaper then.
Don't get me wrong, I like the car okay. I just don't see how it is gonna move a ton of units.

97GT03SVT

I agree with Karman, these muscle cars arrived to the party too late. I have a feeling that the Challenger will have a 5year life span and there is a good chance that the Camaro will have the same fate. Both will probably have strong, mostly V8 sales in the first two model years. After all the enthusiasts buy up there cars then sales will plummet. This will also greatly effect sales of the Mustang. I will bet that Mustang production will slip over the next couple years. Even if the new car is better in every way (which it probably will be) RWD American muscle cars are now politically in-correct and have the image of being bad on gas. I must admit paying close to $70 to fill up my tank is starting to change my mind on buying a GT500 in the next year or two. I think that the muscle car wars will peak in the next couple years with the intro of the Camaro, Challenger and 10' Mustang and then we will see a decline in both power and popularity of these type of vehicles until the economy and fuel situation improves

bob

I wish I was, Lutz has some **** cool toys in his garage and they ain't just cars.

You've got to keep in mind, that GM abandoned the F-twins, they wanted to kill them off, in an incredibly stupid manuever the auto industry in general abandoned sporty coupes except for Ford and even they I think were gloomy on the prospect, IIRC Ford was only forecasting 80k units for the 05 Mustang - thats probably why there is the cheap base interior, SRA, and geriatric 4.0 in there. I believe GM will be very aggressive this time around with the marketing, I wouldn't expect anything less and to run this in the ground guys. Camaro cannot fail, its not an option and if it does fail (for reasons you guys site, or other problems) its over, no more Camaro.

exgto

A half second is a pretty big difference. To put it in perspective, the Challenger will put about 5 car lengths on the Bullitt in the 1/4 mile. Bare in mind, the Chally is a 3.06 auto and the Bullitt is a manual 3.73 to boot.

To put it in another perspective the 400hp GTO is roughly 350lbs lighter than a Challenger and runs basement 13's like the Challenger.