Ummm.... then its not 'stock'.....

(I'll say it though - that black PT is sorta sharp though....)

 

Do you carry that picture in your wallet- or purse? j/k

If you like the car, then that's what matters right? I don't like the car, and I'm just giving my opinion on a open forum. I do understand the need for a specific vehicle that fullfills all of your needed requirements. Me personnally- well I just wouldn't have chosen that one.

 

A modified PT Cruiser is like an ugly chick with implants. She's still ugly. Just my opinion. Nice performance on some of these though. That black one is heavily modified. You can tell just by how much visually is done. You don't dress up an engine bay like that just for show. That's had some serious work done.

 

Thanks, totalsleeper. Those are definitely not "mild" bolt-on modifications (changing the turbine unit and running dual power adders). Anxiously awaiting the results of this little contest , although I still feel that guy should've raced freebass55 sooner since the claim was made at its then-current state of tune compared to whatever it may have now.

Way off topic, but this whole thing's just got me curious about the new Mazdaspeed 3 - similar layout, lighter, better handling, and more stock hp/tq... Price is a different story. Err, that is if I must go FWD!

 

My good buddy has a Mazda 3 and has desperately been trying to get his hands on a Speed3 now that they are finally starting to hit dealers over here over the past few weeks. Many of them look like Shelby GT500 syndrome too - 2K to 4K markup........

I actually really like my buddy's 3 and am really interested in the Speed3 - everything I have read sounds like its gonna be one hell of a great little car - and a sleeper if you don't know what you are looking at....

 

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Originally Posted by total sleeper
well my motor is bone stock, but i added a gt30 turbo,

Ummm.... then its not 'stock'.....

(I'll say it though - that black PT is sorta sharp though....)

what i ment by motor is stock, is all internals of the engine are stock. other than painting the valve cover i haven't even removed a gasket.
the motor in the pt and srt are the same and are built very well, so you can do big bolt on modes without changing internals.

 

i would say that his car is the heaviest modded pt with out going into the engine. not saying that i'm not heavy modded either but hell take off my spray and i'm still running 13.1 on the stock turbo. not to bad i think.

 

About the whole GM bringing the HHR to the market 5 years too late comment...

Anyone want to bet we won't see the Camaro until 2010?

 

Read 'em and weep.

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...daspeed3_dyno/

Why do they come out with very intersting numbers (happened with the MazdaSpeed Protegé) and the actual car doesn't deliver and is so hard to modify, I have no idea ?

A safer bet for Mazda fans is the MazdaSpeed 6 in my opinion.

 

Maybe you would have, if your needs would have been the exact same as mine. They aren't and so you chose something else and I'm fine with that.

Honestly the pt cruiser doesn't fulfill all my "needed requirements" as you put it. As I have said earlier, I don't care much for the retro look but I'm dealing with it with subtle mods to make it better suit my taste.

If I had it the way I wanted, the same turbocharged 2.4 powerplant would be shoehorned in a silver Toyota Matrix just like this one:

Looks much more modern and has looks that really hit a soft spot as far as I am concerned. But that's just me.

Alas Matrix are _s_l_o_w_ , even with the six speed gearbox and the Celica VVT-i engine in 'em.

So I chose power and speed over looks without giving up on practicality.

I would have loved a Mustang, the new ones look badass and I think Ford finally nailed the look after a few designs that didn't do it for me. Power and potential for even more power are certainly there too. But I just wouldn't like it on a day to day basis, especially to carry stuff around, that's all.

 

I hauled every light fixture and ceiling fan (in boxes) for my under construction 3 bed 2 bath 2 story house in my stang the other day...I didn't think it would all fit but somehow it did! I couldn't see out the rearview mirror, but who needs to see backwards right? There was probably 30 boxes in there, not bad for a 2 door stang.

 

Yes it is! Come on man, I'd take the Cruiser over that thing all day long.

 

Like a lot of women, the PT requires a bit of work to look & act presentable, imho. I felt the same way towards the mustang when they came out, that you do the PT.. still a Ford & no competition for the Corvette. (Although it seems that some Mustang owners have developed the 'Corvette Attitude'). I bought a PT mainly for utility but soon realized that with some work, it reminds me of cars I liked when I was a kid, and answered the question: "When are they gonna make cars like they used to". The new Mustang is at least presentable but I prefer the 40's styling of the PT & the fact that it can be made to keep up with traffic is a bonus. Hope you get as much enjoyment out of cruising the 2 lane blacktop as I do.

 

I'm just curious, how much of an aftermarket is there for the PTs? Obviously there is quite a bit with all of the mods you guys have done, but how much aftermarket parts are available compared to cars like mustangs, GM F-bodies, ricers, etc?

 

Aw man, believe it or not, there's a pretty big market! Not big enough I'd say, but you got companies like AGP turbo making big turbo kits and other nice parts. Plus a nice bonus is that 95% of the SRT-4 stuff (enginewise) works on PT's since it's the same engine and stock turbo. Exceptions would be the intake manifold, air intakes, turbo plumbing and intercoolers due to different shapes, and/or locations.

I must say, it's probably not as much as for the Mustangs (I love the huge varity of choices for them), but it's not dead market, although there are not as many PT turbo guys wanting to push the envelope as there are Stang, F-body, and (gulp) ricer owners.

 

The MS 3 and MS 6 share the same engine, except the MS 3 has FWD due to chassis space limitations. I think both cars' engines demonstrated similar drops in power output at the higher end due to the turbo's sizing - geared more for low/midrange response. Since Mazda tends to emphasize handling, the MS 3's ecu was programmed to limit power output in the lower gears to minimize the dreaded torque-steer, but, doubt if that is what causes the low torque numbers below 3000 RPM since the power limiting is linked to steering angle.

 

O.k., now I'm starting to get a little frustrated. He said his check engine light came on this weekend. He won't be going for sure now. I called b.s. on him. He didn't like that too much. Oh well, I am going to be there on thursday.

So, you PT guys, what kind of power would this guy be putting down with the mods I listed before? We got into it again today. He said exhaust, intake, ignition, that's it. Never dyno'd. I want a ballpark, at the wheels. What do you guys think?

 

Just call him a b!tch and be done with it.

 

 

HAAAAH!!!!

Yep, a I thought: DOUCHE

Don't sweat him - the clown is just scared of being