wildstanglx90

My soon-to-be father-in-law used to own a '68 Z28 that he bought brand new. And I recently bought an '02 GT. I love the 1st gen. Camaros and I'd never put them down, so that's NOT what this is about. But I just think that if he had that car today my Gt would, at least, give him a run for his money.

So I just wanted to know what you all think....who'd take who? 1/4 mi. and wich has highest top speed. Here's a few specs if it helps....

'68 Camaro Z28 coupe (stock)
5.0l 302 rated @ 290hp
4sp manual trans.
Curb weight approx. 3415


'02 Mustang GT coupe (Borla cat-back, lowered)
4.6l rated @ 260hp
5sp manual trans.
Curb weight approx. 3241

Knight Rider

I may be a Camaro hater, but ive got to admit that the Camaro will win in the quarter mile based on the amount of horsepower

wildstanglx90

That's what I thought at first. Then I got to thinkin that the Z28 is heavier and is only a 4 sp, I'd think that would make a bit of difference.
Unless a 4sp is better somehow...I dunno [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img]

karman

The first Z28 Camaros were awesome cars.
11 to 1 pistons and well balanced chassis.
My reference book on the shelf lists----1/4 mile 14.3@ 101mph
Stock to stock one heck of a race huh. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]

Knight

69 Z28s and Boss 302s are slower then a stock Fox 5.0

Stock for stock a 02 GT would put a hurt on a 69 Z28.

In Mustang Monthly magazine they did a Boss 302 vs Z28 shootout and the fastest time any car did was a 16 flat by the Boss 302.

In reality a Stock well driven 69 Z28 is a mid 15 sec car.

nynvolt

Wasn't horsepower rated much differently back in 68 also? Possibly inflated compared to newer cars.

karman

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nynvolt @ April 17, 2006, 7:22 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Wasn't horsepower rated much differently back in 68 also? Possibly inflated compared to newer cars.
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In the '60s they rated the horsepower at the crank with no accessories (alternator,pwr. streering etc.)
If you've even been in an old Z28 it feels as though they under-rated the HP [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img] .
For their day, they were fast and built for handling.
The winner of a race would depend on the drivers. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]

tacbear

Back in the day I raced alot of 1st gen Z28's and Boss 302's at the track and never lost in my 1985 Mustang GT (stock). My car ran mid 14's (2.73's) and the Z 28's and Boss 302's ran high 14's to very low 15's.

karman

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tacbear @ April 17, 2006, 8:37 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Back in the day I raced alot of 1st gen Z28's and Boss 302's at the track and never lost in my 1985 Mustang GT (stock). My car ran mid 14's (2.73's) and the Z 28's and Boss 302's ran high 14's to very low 15's.
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THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT ANSWER. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]

wildstanglx90

Thanks for the info guys [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]

I wish he had his Z28 these days so we could run 'em a few times just to have proof... He won't be convinced otherwise [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/28.gif[/img] .

Knight

Old people are like that. they will never admit that modern muscle cars are faster then classic ones.

mudshuvel319

As for that 4-speed trans…
it's hard to say if it's better or worse than your 5-speed. If it's geared for acceleration (like a first gear of over 3.00), although it would red-line eariler, it may accelerate harder off the line.
For example, my dad had a 1971 Dodge Demon 340 (he sold it a couple years ago [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img] ) that came from the factory with a 4-speed trans and a 3.91:1 rear (Try getting a factory ratio like that today). Anyway, even though it had less power than, say a Boss 429, it pulled like heck. Because of the rear, it could beat more powerful cars in the 1/4 mile. I don’t know what the factory gears are in the camaro, but unless it has rediculously radical ratios, you should beat it.

Every_Mn

They'd be about equal 68-69 Zs were mid 14sec cars, pretty easy. So is an 02 GT.

About them rating hp differently back then:

Don't believe it. For instance, a 428CJ engine was rated a 335 gross hp, but actually produces around 350 net hp. Same goes for all musclecars, really. Lots of times its 'whatever the gross rating is, that's the real net rating...'

ScottyBoy302

Im with chris, you would stomp that thing. The old cars, despite all their power just werent that fast in stock trim. I watched a shootout on speedtv witha bunch of old big block high hp muscle cars and the fastest car in the 1/4 was a hemi challenger running 14.1. And a 68 Z28 is not gonna be able to match a hemi challenger in the quarter.

Every_Mn

Um, the Challenger was the 2nd slowest of the six. The fastest was a '69 B9 Stang, which ran 60 in 5.0 seconds and ran the 1/4 in 13.7 seconds at around 103mph. Keep in mind these were bone stock cars, and I have heard that the driver is a total moron when it comes to properly launching and shifting these cars.

Case in point: He totally ****ed the clutch on said Challenger.

Other factors to consider: They only got 3 runs on each car. With more practice, they coulda done better. Also, it was ~80 degrees and quite humid when they ran the cars, further hindering their performance.

Every_Mn

Last note: Most Z28 Camaros had 4.11 gears and Rock Crusher trannies.

ScottyBoy302

I thought the challenger won the 1/4 but came in 2nd last overall? Well whatever, it was like a year ago. That Z28 is still no match for an 02.

rug

Hi all. New here. Just wanted to say i owned a 69 Z-28 and they came with 373s stock. They ran like crap with those gears, no low end. If you wanted to drag race them you need more gear. I added 456s that you could have got stock, in that case they would win in the 1/4. And SOME cars were underated back then, the Z-28s were.

Knight

A completely stock 60's Boss 302 and Z28 are slower then a completly stock 5.0 mustang...with that being said a 02 GT is a lot faster then a stock 5.0....with that being said a stock 68 Z28 would stand no chance of beating a 02 GT. Even with 4.56 gears it is no match for the new technology.

wildstanglx90

Just curious, what are the stock gear ratios for the 99-04 GT's? I used to know but forgot the exact #'s