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Another "issue" I ran into with my local Dodge/Ram dealership a couple of weeks ago. The one I buy/order my trucks from.
I emailed a salesman about ordering a '22 Jailbreak Challenger,...........no MSRP!!! They are ordering them at 3K ADM!!!
Tony! If that's how your local dealership values your business knowing full well you've always ordered and purchased your trucks from them as a long term customer, not only would I be telling them they've just lost your business as a loyal customer, but can also take their dealership and shove it up their butt as well
Last edited by m05fastbackGT; 1/22/22 at 11:02 AM.
Tony! If that's how your local dealership values your business knowing full well you've always ordered and purchased your trucks from them as a long term customer, not only would I be telling them they've just lost your business as a loyal customer, but can also take their dealership and shove it up their butt as well
You know what Rocky,...........I almost told them that too!!!
I wouldn't mind a '22 Jailbreak Challenger. Maybe I will email that same salesman again and tell him who I am and he can check their records if they wanna keep a loyal customer. I really wouldn't mind a '22 Jailbreak Challenger at all. These high horsepower cars are going to be going bye bye soon. I'm really ****ing bitter about the GT500 stuff. I should already have one in my garage, but with this stupid allocation bullcrap and ADM prices,... you can't get one. (My '19 Roush cost almost as much as a '22 GT500 how I would order it. Price isn't the issue. Ripping me off with ADM's and dealer allocations, is the issue. I'm pretty bitter about it.)
PLUS,...........!!! You guys heard of the DIRECT CONNECTION, right? The system that Mopar had back in the day?!?! They're bringing it back!
I totally agree 100% Tony! It's completely a crock of BS and unacceptable for the way certain dealerships treat their customers.. They seem to have real short memories and forget that if it weren't for their customers, they wouldn't enjoy the commissions they make nor would their dealerships remain in business for very long. Now I completely understand that both new and used car sales values have increased due from the semiconductor shortage, but with the ridiculous allocation and ADM prices on vehicles such as the GT500, Mach1 and now Challenger "Jailbreak edition" they've gone too far when it comes to their greedy/profit making tactics. They also don't seem to realize if only they sold the vehicles mentioned at MSRP, they would actually sell more of them and still make a decent profit for themselves.
But what the hell do I know right? I'm just an average consumer who still has values when it comes to loyalty working in both ways
They also don't seem to realize if only they sold the vehicles mentioned at MSRP, they would actually sell more of them and still make a decent profit for themselves.
But what the hell do I know right? I'm just an average consumer who still has values when it comes to loyalty working in both ways
BINGO and BINGO!!!!
I agree my man. My biggest gripe is the allocation thing with the GT500 cars. I wanna be able to go to any Ford dealership and order a GT500. Whether it be MSRP or more. I understand the "exclusivity" thing with Ford wanting not wanting many people owning a Shelby car, but come on man. I'm just benumbed with looking and looking online. lol
BINGO and BINGO!!!!
I agree my man. My biggest gripe is the allocation thing with the GT500 cars. I wanna be able to go to any Ford dealership and order a GT500. Whether it be MSRP or more. I understand the "exclusivity" thing with Ford wanting not wanting many people owning a Shelby car, but come on man. I'm just benumbed with looking and looking online. lol
Couldn't agree more Tony! The allocation tactic is just another BS excuse for dealerships applying their outrageous ADM's in order to make more of a profit. I totally get the "exclusivity" thing with Ford producing just a limited number of GT500 models per year. However, what I don't quite understand, is if Ford only wants a select few to own a Shelby variant, then why bother listing them from the factory at MSRP, to begin with.
I honestly don't get that when even at MSRP, the pricing for a GT500 is over double the MSRP for a standard GT model
Ford says MSRP because you CAN get it at that or less (supposedly). Related video below. That said, here's the real deal: "You all are worried about money and that's why you don't like the ADM." - The dealerships who don't care, pay up or get out, there's another person who'll be around that will pay it because they want the car period. It happens, so it will continue to happen. Us peons need not apply. Like, at all. How about a nice Ecoboost?
Also, if I may be so bold... ADM (nee profiteering) is the American Way, how dare you guys argue against it?
I'm not worried about a friggin thing.. If folks want to pay those outrageous ADM's just for the sake of owning a GT500 or whatever Mustang variant Ford comes out with, that's on them.. However IMO, no Mustang variant is worth nearly triple the price of a standard Mustang GT after ADM's are added to the MSRP.. As far as I'm concerned, asking MSRP for a 2021-22 GT500 which is already double the price over the standard Mustang GT as it is, should be more than fair enough for dealerships to make a nice profit for themselves.
That being said, I'm completely on board with Tony's take on Ford's allocation and ADM pricing bull crap tactics.
they are free to charge as much as they want, and we are free not to pay it . . . and if they lose some loyal customers along the way, that is the price that they pay for their short-sightedness
I still have a hard time believing that he bought that car at ADM. Maybe he did?? If he did,.....good for him! I found one that I wanted at MSRP, I would buy it too.
Not many people are buying these cars at MSRP. Like,....very, very few.
I'm all for the capitalist system. I'm also all for *****ing and complaining about dealerships charging those ADM's. LOL
Smells like,..............FREEEDOM!!!!!
Dude at work, I think he's 33,...he's told me twice that he's a socialist. LMFAO I laugh my *** off at him on the inside. (I know, I know,.....not the correct thread. LOL )
I have such a great rebuttal for that, I can't wait for the next time he says that.
I'm sure there's select dealerships that will sell GT500's at MSRP. But most of the majority, at least locally anyhow all include ADM's.. Just may need to travel beyond your local geographical area if necessary in order to locate a dealership that's willing to sell at MSRP
I'm sure there's select dealerships that will sell GT500's at MSRP. But most of the majority, at least locally anyhow all include ADM's.. Just may need to travel beyond your local geographical area if necessary in order to locate a dealership that's willing to sell at MSRP
Believe me Rocky, I have looked and looked and searched and searched. LOL
Very hard to come by. Even if the price says the MSRP on the ad, when you inquire about the car, they actually have an ADM. Very, very few ADM cars. ESPECIALLY!!!,....CFTP cars.
Believe me Rocky, I have looked and looked and searched and searched. LOL
Very hard to come by. Even if the price says the MSRP on the ad, when you inquire about the car, they actually have an ADM. Very, very few ADM cars. ESPECIALLY!!!,....CFTP cars.
I suppose it really shouldn't come as any surprise Tony! Just another fine example of marketing hype BS ads vs the actual inquiry of the car itself.. LOL
That sure stinks about the new Challengers. I have been seeing and hearing the same thing on the Challenger forums. The dealers know the end is around the corner for the Hemi engines. Paying full sticker is worth it to many but going above that just seems so wrong. Keep watching though in case the trend changes.
I was going to order my 2020 R/T at full sticker as I wanted to build it exactly the way I wanted with 'no settling' like wishing it had a certain option or color or whatever. I lucked out finding my exact car on a lot in GA. It was exactly what I would have ordered except for added red brake calipers. I wasn't going to bother with them at $450 but when I could get the $3,000+ FCA rebate being offered at that time, it was a simple decision.
Back in the gas crunch 70s, dealers couldn’t give away trucks and low mpg big cars. I wonder with gas prices rising if that’s starting to happen again. Will these high hp low mileage cars be hard to sell and the dealers will be having to eat their markups? I looked at a Mach 1 today with a 20k “market adjustment” on the sticker. Told the sales guy “I would have written you a check until I saw that!” He tried to get me to stay but that pissed me off and I walked away. Don’t need it and I won’t pay it.
No, not this time. Not for Machs and GT500s and such. Gas pricing doesn't enter into it. These cars are more like a Corvette or Lambo or such, and the people who buy these kinds of cars don't care about gas, because they have more money than sense/pragmatism. They want the car, they'll buy it. "ADM? Fine, gimme." "$8/gal gas? Whatever, fill it up."
What will die off is the everyman V8s that we have now. Which is already happening. The Probe-E exists, as does the Lightning. Caddy's goin' full electric in 8 years. V8's dead, long live the Electrics. Get 'em while you can.
If they can't get more cars and trucks out of the plants, the dealers need to make more money on the cars that are scarce. ADMs will continue until production improves, as the misquoted adage goes.
I was searching local brand new GT500 car, just for giggles now, I'm not looking to buy any more with a recession right over the horizon. Just for giggles.
They have a 2020 GT500, which looks killer, but it's missing the Handling package,.......they are asking like a 20K ADM. LMFAO
They also have a 2021 JFG Mach 1, which is stupid gorgeous!!! Almost a 30k ADM! LMFAO
What are these dealerships gonna do when the recession hits?!?! They'll be begging for us to buy their cars at below MSRP! lol
I’m not rich by any means but if I wanted to buy the Mach 1 I could. It is a gorgeous car but I have a Boss and an F Type for toys and really don’t need another non-daily driver. I was considering it but walked away because of the 20k dealer rip off. I’m sure I’m not alone in that regard.
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