USPS
Ebay (2 mailbox size packages), USPS Priority, Chicago to rural S Oregon, Ordered Friday, Received Monday: 
USPS
Status:
Delivered
May-06-13, 12:48 PM, OR 97...
Depart USPS Sort Facility
May-04-13, 00:00 AM, ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility
May-03-13, 20:25 PM, ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007
Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility
May-03-13, 19:10 PM, PLAINFIELD, IL 60544
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Amazon (1 lg envelope size package), FedEx gr, LA to rural S Oregon (a 12 hr drive), Ordered Friday, Received today - Wednesday.
Notice it went all the way to Kent Wa before being rerouted thru the Post Office to me. UPS is the similar time frame because of their routing facility locations.
May 8, 2013 11:05:00 AM OR US Delivered
May 8, 2013 09:28:00 AM OR US Out for delivery
May 7, 2013 07:50:00 PM OR US Arrival Scan
May 7, 2013 12:04:35 AM Fedex Kent WA US Departure Scan
May 7, 2013 12:04:00 AM Fedex Kent WA US In transit to pickup location
May 6, 2013 11:36:00 PM Fedex Kent WA US Arrival Scan
May 4, 2013 10:14:33 AM Fedex Los Angeles CA US Departure Scan
May 4, 2013 10:14:00 AM Fedex Los Angeles CA US In transit to pickup location
May 3, 2013 08:27:00 PM Fedex Los Angeles CA US Arrival Scan
May 3, 2013 02:31:00 AM US Shipment has left seller facility and is in transit to carrier
USPS
Status:
Delivered
May-06-13, 12:48 PM, OR 97...
Depart USPS Sort Facility
May-04-13, 00:00 AM, ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility
May-03-13, 20:25 PM, ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007
Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility
May-03-13, 19:10 PM, PLAINFIELD, IL 60544
*****
Amazon (1 lg envelope size package), FedEx gr, LA to rural S Oregon (a 12 hr drive), Ordered Friday, Received today - Wednesday.
Notice it went all the way to Kent Wa before being rerouted thru the Post Office to me. UPS is the similar time frame because of their routing facility locations.
May 8, 2013 11:05:00 AM OR US Delivered
May 8, 2013 09:28:00 AM OR US Out for delivery
May 7, 2013 07:50:00 PM OR US Arrival Scan
May 7, 2013 12:04:35 AM Fedex Kent WA US Departure Scan
May 7, 2013 12:04:00 AM Fedex Kent WA US In transit to pickup location
May 6, 2013 11:36:00 PM Fedex Kent WA US Arrival Scan
May 4, 2013 10:14:33 AM Fedex Los Angeles CA US Departure Scan
May 4, 2013 10:14:00 AM Fedex Los Angeles CA US In transit to pickup location
May 3, 2013 08:27:00 PM Fedex Los Angeles CA US Arrival Scan
May 3, 2013 02:31:00 AM US Shipment has left seller facility and is in transit to carrier
Last edited by cdynaco; May 8, 2013 at 06:56 PM.
Here is one of my recent mailings. First class package arriving in only 2 days and a day early even!
USPS Tracking / Delivery Confirmation™
First-Class Package Service Expected Delivery By: May 9, 2013
Delivered May 8, 2013, 12:46 pm AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Out for Delivery May 8, 2013, 8:10 am AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Sorting Complete May 8, 2013, 8:00 am AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Arrival at Post Office May 8, 2013, 5:49 am AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Depart USPS Sort Facility May 8, 2013 SANTA CLARITA, CA 91383
Electronic Shipping Info Received May 8, 2013
Processed through USPS Sort Facility May 8, 2013, 12:48 am SANTA CLARITA, CA 91383
Depart USPS Sort Facility May 7, 2013 SPRINGFIELD, MA 01152
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility May 7, 2013, 1:00 am SPRINGFIELD, MA 01152
Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility May 6, 2013, 11:45 pm DOUGLAS, MA
And the link as proof.
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...99939877821319
USPS Tracking / Delivery Confirmation™
First-Class Package Service Expected Delivery By: May 9, 2013
Delivered May 8, 2013, 12:46 pm AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Out for Delivery May 8, 2013, 8:10 am AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Sorting Complete May 8, 2013, 8:00 am AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Arrival at Post Office May 8, 2013, 5:49 am AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301
Depart USPS Sort Facility May 8, 2013 SANTA CLARITA, CA 91383
Electronic Shipping Info Received May 8, 2013
Processed through USPS Sort Facility May 8, 2013, 12:48 am SANTA CLARITA, CA 91383
Depart USPS Sort Facility May 7, 2013 SPRINGFIELD, MA 01152
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility May 7, 2013, 1:00 am SPRINGFIELD, MA 01152
Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility May 6, 2013, 11:45 pm DOUGLAS, MA
And the link as proof.
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...99939877821319
More proof UPS is an absolute screw job on packages, but I was at the mercy of the seller who stipulates only UPS Air. 
Georgia to Oregon, 12"x8"x3", 3# box, insured:
UPS 3 day air:
USPS Priority - 3 days but also includes Saturday. It says Mon but my experience for cross country is 3 days:
USPS-Produced Box: 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2"
Mon, May 13 $22.15 [Prob Tues]
USPS Priority is 2/3 the cost and a day quicker. Wish I had the option for this package.
Georgia to Oregon, 12"x8"x3", 3# box, insured:
UPS 3 day air:
UPS 3 Day Select® - zone 308 Guaranteed By: By
End of Day Wednesday May 15, 2013 $35.17
End of Day Wednesday May 15, 2013 $35.17
USPS Priority - 3 days but also includes Saturday. It says Mon but my experience for cross country is 3 days:
Priority Mail® Medium Flat Rate Box
USPS-Produced Box: 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2"
Mon, May 13 $22.15 [Prob Tues]
USPS Priority is 2/3 the cost and a day quicker. Wish I had the option for this package.
More proof UPS is an absolute screw job on packages, but I was at the mercy of the seller who stipulates only UPS Air. 
Georgia to Oregon, 12"x8"x3", 3# box, insured:
UPS 3 day air:
USPS Priority - 3 days but also includes Saturday. It says Mon but my experience for cross country is 3 days:
USPS Priority is 2/3 the cost and a day quicker. Wish I had the option for this package.
Georgia to Oregon, 12"x8"x3", 3# box, insured:
UPS 3 day air:
USPS Priority - 3 days but also includes Saturday. It says Mon but my experience for cross country is 3 days:
USPS Priority is 2/3 the cost and a day quicker. Wish I had the option for this package.
More proof UPS is an absolute screw job on packages, but I was at the mercy of the seller who stipulates only UPS Air. 
Georgia to Oregon, 12"x8"x3", 3# box, insured:
UPS 3 day air:
USPS Priority - 3 days but also includes Saturday. It says Mon but my experience for cross country is 3 days:
USPS Priority is 2/3 the cost and a day quicker. Wish I had the option for this package.
Georgia to Oregon, 12"x8"x3", 3# box, insured:
UPS 3 day air:
USPS Priority - 3 days but also includes Saturday. It says Mon but my experience for cross country is 3 days:
USPS Priority is 2/3 the cost and a day quicker. Wish I had the option for this package.
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USPS not only does NOT have that flexibility, the dumsters in congress requires them to pre-fund pensions/health benefits waaaay out into the future.
Yet with that, USPS still has Priority service that is excellent, for less cost, and 6 days a week delivery.
Hell they even pick up at my house for free - something UPS or FedEx never has done or will do.
So like I said before UPS & FedEx have their place definitely, and do a good job at it. But same goes for USPS.
UPS:
UPS Pension Article
When Big Brown took on billions of dollars of debt in 2007 to buy some
employees out of a union-run pension plan, it seemed like a good idea.
Then the recession hit, hammering the fund. Recently, the company found
itself dealing with concerns about its riskier debt strategy.
UPS, long a conservative company that eschewed debt and risk, was given
what would amount to a “yellow caution” flag by a credit rating agency in
January. This was after the Sandy Springs-based company had a pension plan fall below the amount it would need to cover its obligations.
Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services said UPS’s credit metrics had
“deteriorated … due to profit pressures related to the global economic
downturn and a large increase in unfunded postretirement obligations.”
S&P kept UPS’s rating at AA- (the equivalent of Moody’s Aa3), which
is still a high grade.
The ratings agency did, however, change UPS’s outlook from “stable” to
“negative,” saying that if UPS doesn’t have enough cash to fund its pension
obligations within 18 to 24 months, the agency would lower UPS’s credit
rating.
The pension funds the retirement benefits of about 400,000 UPS
employees, from management to union rank and file.
Kurt Kuehn, UPS’s chief financial officer, addressed the issue during
the company’s February call with Wall Street analysts about earnings.
“By their calculation, UPS is slightly below their target,” Kuehn said
of the S&P report. “We have 18 to 24 months to close the gap, which I’m
very confident we can do.”
According to an annual report that came out in late February, UPS has
already started to close the gap. At the end of 2009, it had pension
benefit obligations of $17.8 billion and plan assets of $15.4 billion, for
an unfunded balance of $2.4 billion.
At the end of 2008, obligations were $16.3 billion with plan assets of
$12.8 billion, for an unfunded balance of $3.5 billion.
“Every fund hit a speed bump in 2008,” said Andy Dolny, with UPS
investor relations. “The plan lost about 25 percent [of its value] in that
year. Keep in mind the unfunded balance, or liability, is like a mortgage.
It’s not something that’s due now like a credit card bill.”
http://www.flagstoneretirement.com/events/dupont-news
*****
The company contributed $1.2 billion in January and $2 billion in
December, he said.
As a result of the contributions, each of the company's U.S. defined
benefit pension plans is now more than 100% funded, Mr. Black said. The
amount of the overfunding was unavailable, he said.
The new funding “will substantially reduce contributions in the years
to come,” Kurt P. Kuehn, CFO, treasurer and senior vice president, said
Feb. 1 in a conference call on the company's financial results.
UPS didn't disclose its current pension assets and liabilities.
“UPS like most companies with defined benefit plans will experience
higher pension expense in 2011, as a result of lower discount rates and
the amortization of the 2008 market losses,” Mr. Kuehn said in the
transcript. UPS didn't disclose the expected pension expense for this
year. “The benefits of our recent pension contributions will help offset
the impact but not totally eliminate it,” he added in the transcript.
In December, UPS contributed $2 billion to its pension plans,
financing the funding by selling 10- and 30-year notes, Mr. Black said.
“(G)iven low levels of interest rates, we felt it was
financially prudent to issue debt to prefund our pension plans,”
Mr. Kuehn said in the transcript.
UPS' U.S. plans had $15.3 billion in assets and $17.7 billion in
liabilities, while its non-U.S. plans had $481 million in assets and $575
million in liabilities, all as of Dec. 31, 2009, according to its most
recent 10-K, filed Feb. 26, 2010.
http://www.pionline.com/article/20110207/PRINTSUB/302079999
In 2006, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement
Act. This law requires the Postal Service to do something that no
other business or government agency has to do–pre-fund its FUTURE retiree
health care benefits. This is a 75 year liability that has to be
paid in 10 years. The Postal Service makes a payment of
approximately $5.5 billion on September 30 at the end of every fiscal
year to meet this obligation. The Post Office has been paying these
benefits the past four years into a trust fund for employees who have not
even been born yet. This is the burden that is creating the
“financial crisis” for the Post Office. The recession that has
gripped America the past few years has undoubtedly affected the Postal
Service, but even in the worst economic times since the great depression,
the USPS has had a net profit of $611 million dollars.
Unfortunately, the red ink associated with the post office is the
mandated pre-funding since 2006.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kaytillow/2011/09/26/whats-the-real-story-behind-the-postal-crisis/
Act. This law requires the Postal Service to do something that no
other business or government agency has to do–pre-fund its FUTURE retiree
health care benefits. This is a 75 year liability that has to be
paid in 10 years. The Postal Service makes a payment of
approximately $5.5 billion on September 30 at the end of every fiscal
year to meet this obligation. The Post Office has been paying these
benefits the past four years into a trust fund for employees who have not
even been born yet. This is the burden that is creating the
“financial crisis” for the Post Office. The recession that has
gripped America the past few years has undoubtedly affected the Postal
Service, but even in the worst economic times since the great depression,
the USPS has had a net profit of $611 million dollars.
Unfortunately, the red ink associated with the post office is the
mandated pre-funding since 2006.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kaytillow/2011/09/26/whats-the-real-story-behind-the-postal-crisis/
With all your griping you still never stated what method you paid for. Priority? Or 3rd class...

Or what it would have cost you with UPS for an allegedly quicker delivery. UPS gr is always 5-7 work days (M-F) cross country. USPS 1st class is 3-5 days cross country with only Sundays not delivered. Priority is 2-3 days cross country with only Sundays not delivered.
The other thing you haven't mentioned is are you sure it actually shipped?? The seller may have created a label online - and therefore created a tracking number - but that doesn't mean they actually shipped it. I've seen that more than once with sellers.
Yet you're blaming the Post Office without giving us any more info. In contrast, several of us have provided documentation of excellent service with Priority.
Last edited by cdynaco; May 10, 2013 at 05:38 PM.
Perhaps, but UPS doesn't have the pension/health benefit funding issue that USPS has. While UPS' pension is strong, they did take on risk right before the crash. duh Yet to catch up they had the flexibility to arrange financing at record low interest rates.
USPS not only does NOT have that flexibility, the dumsters in congress requires them to pre-fund pensions/health benefits waaaay out into the future.
Yet with that, USPS still has Priority service that is excellent, for less cost, and 6 days a week delivery.
Hell they even pick up at my house for free - something UPS or FedEx never has done or will do.
So like I said before UPS & FedEx have their place definitely, and do a good job at it. But same goes for USPS.
UPS:
USPS:
lol
USPS doesn't pay taxes because its existence is allowed for in the Constitution. Just like freedom of speech and right to bear arms. They also have to deliver to every address every day. UPS would never do that and would only do major cities. Universal service is a basic right we all enjoy. Even if you live WAY out in the country.
I would also like to hear where everyone who hates the USPS has taken down their mailbox. I still haven't seen that even though it's quite obvious there is great hatred towards them. Put your mailbox where your mouth is.
I would also like to hear where everyone who hates the USPS has taken down their mailbox. I still haven't seen that even though it's quite obvious there is great hatred towards them. Put your mailbox where your mouth is.
USPS doesn't pay taxes because its existence is allowed for in the Constitution. Just like freedom of speech and right to bear arms. They also have to deliver to every address every day. UPS would never do that and would only do major cities. Universal service is a basic right we all enjoy. Even if you live WAY out in the country.
I would also like to hear where everyone who hates the USPS has taken down their mailbox. I still haven't seen that even though it's quite obvious there is great hatred towards them. Put your mailbox where your mouth is.
I would also like to hear where everyone who hates the USPS has taken down their mailbox. I still haven't seen that even though it's quite obvious there is great hatred towards them. Put your mailbox where your mouth is.
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exactly
With all your griping you still never stated what method you paid for. Priority? Or 3rd class... 
Or what it would have cost you with UPS for an allegedly quicker delivery. UPS gr is always 5-7 work days (M-F) cross country. USPS 1st class is 3-5 days cross country with only Sundays not delivered. Priority is 2-3 days cross country with only Sundays not delivered.
The other thing you haven't mentioned is are you sure it actually shipped?? The seller may have made created a label online - and therefore created a tracking number - but that doesn't mean they actually shipped it. I've seen that more than once with sellers.
Yet you're blaming the Post Office without giving us any more info. In contrast, several of us have provided documentation of excellent service with Priority.

Or what it would have cost you with UPS for an allegedly quicker delivery. UPS gr is always 5-7 work days (M-F) cross country. USPS 1st class is 3-5 days cross country with only Sundays not delivered. Priority is 2-3 days cross country with only Sundays not delivered.
The other thing you haven't mentioned is are you sure it actually shipped?? The seller may have made created a label online - and therefore created a tracking number - but that doesn't mean they actually shipped it. I've seen that more than once with sellers.
Yet you're blaming the Post Office without giving us any more info. In contrast, several of us have provided documentation of excellent service with Priority.




