The oil spill an engineers report
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The oil spill an engineers report
If this engineer is correct and he seems to make sense, we should all be very very scared!
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Sent:*Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject:*Fwd: CATASTROPHIC GULF OIL LEAK----An engineer's report*
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*An engineer of considerable experience says watch this one evolve carefully because it is destined to continue to grow and he shares this long but worthy explanation why:
* * "Heard your mention of the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico this morning, and you (and most everyone else except maybe George Noory) are totally missing the boat on how big and bad of a disaster this is.
* * First fact, the original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!
* * I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.
* * First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.
* * When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.
* * Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!
* * First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.
* * The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.
* * If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?
* * We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to forward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.
* * Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.
* * We're humped. Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that.
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Sent:*Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject:*Fwd: CATASTROPHIC GULF OIL LEAK----An engineer's report*
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*An engineer of considerable experience says watch this one evolve carefully because it is destined to continue to grow and he shares this long but worthy explanation why:
* * "Heard your mention of the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico this morning, and you (and most everyone else except maybe George Noory) are totally missing the boat on how big and bad of a disaster this is.
* * First fact, the original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!
* * I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.
* * First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.
* * When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.
* * Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!
* * First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.
* * The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.
* * If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?
* * We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to forward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.
* * Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.
* * We're humped. Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that.
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If this engineer is correct and he seems to make sense, we should all be very very scared!
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* * Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!
* * First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.
* * The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.
* * If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?
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* * Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!
* * First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.
* * The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.
* * If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?
First: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooommmmmmm..... *gasp*
Alright, there, it's said. And that being said... *intake*
Ok, the entire world has 326000000000000000000 gallons of water in it. 70% of that is the ocean. That's 228200000000000000000 gallons. At a toxicity rating of 1 quart of motor oil per 250000 gallons, that 912800000000000 quarts of motor oil. At 168 US quarts of oil per barrel, that equates to a maximum spill toxicity capacity of 5433333333333.3333333333333333333 barrels (give or take a barrel) of oil that has to be coming out of that well. If my math holds up right...
326000000000000000000 gallons to start with...
*.70 = 228200000000000000000 gallons oceans of the world
/ 250000 gallons per quart of oil = 912800000000000 quarts needed for total world domination... er toxicity of the oceans.
/168 quarts per barrel = 5433333333333 barrels required to toxify the oceans, estimated. I think I did that right.
That's 5,433,333,333,333. 5.433 trillion barrels. That's all the ocean can handle, and then it's all toxic. Ergo, 'doom.'
Now then, with all that understanding, let's look at what happens next.. The Tiber oil field,where the Deepwater Horizon was drilling to a depth of 35,055 feet (which, by the way, is the deepest ever,) when it had the blowout, exploded, burned, and sank, releasing the oil, was estimated to have somewhere around 4 to 6 billion barrels of oil.. but only up to 900 million may be recoverable. This is an important issue. The vast majority of this field may never come up... with current technology. With nature... there's no real telling. It may be more, it may be less: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiber_oilfield
But hey, we're talking *DOOM* here... so we'll go with the biggest number of 6 billion that'll come up. With that... let's compare numbers, shall we?
5,433,333,333,333 barrels for total world toxicity of ocean water.
6,500,000,000 barrels total max expected from the field (I gave it a few extra, just to be sure)
Over *800%* less than needed for world domination. Quite a far cry from total world screw up. And that's if the *entire oil field* spills out... I somehow doubt that's going to happen. But I'm not an oilfield engineer. I did stay at a townhome last night.
As an aside, in regards to the capping of it... the pressure of the ocean may do it for us. But to be sure, a nice MOAB set off right on top of the thing ought to quite nicely cave in the **** thing. *Some* kind of a shaped charge... or how about just simply pouring a few thousand tons of concrete in it? Or maybe put a bunch of rocks in a few barges, and letting them go? Then a few more barges of sand?
Point is, there's got to be a way to do this. Leave the shipwreck down there, of course, no saving it.
But to cry "zOMG, we're DOOOMED"... I just don't believe that... and lookit, there are facts to back that up:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8664684.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_spill
Where this spill is the least of the worries ever hazarded by an accident. By tomorrow it will have spilled 100,000 barrels. So far. This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I
Is probably a close idea of what to expect. In reality, though, this is probably closer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoco_Cadiz
However, the worst on record, at about 11,000,000 barrels is the Gulf War spill:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_oil_spill
And that was on purpose, and quite huge.
My entire point on this? The guy, while rightly concerned, is way over the **** top, and the Earth will recover. Yes, it will suck. Yes, certain aspects will be a far in the future problem (like the oil in Cape Cod and Valdez that is *still* there... I'll grant that.)
But the Earth isn't going to die. Not from this one. Far from it. Goodness me, if it was, it'd have happened *a LONG time ago* from all the other spills.
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that goes on with this stuff.//I was bored.
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Last edited by houtex; May 17, 2010 at 09:49 PM. Reason: Corrected Gulf War amount. 11b, not 15b.
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Uhhh no one said that the world is doomed. Its just so many procedure that was not followed because someone wants to make a quick buck. We (us) will pay for this problem not BP.
I also think that we should have offshore drilling and drill in alaska.
I also think that we should have offshore drilling and drill in alaska.
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That guy said the world is doomed. Read it again.
"I'm gonna sing the 'Doom' song now... doom doom doom do doom doom doom do dooo... doom doom doom DOOM!...."
...several months later...
"...doomy doomy doom doom doom do doom doom doom... ooh what's that?"
/loves me some Gir
"I'm gonna sing the 'Doom' song now... doom doom doom do doom doom doom do dooo... doom doom doom DOOM!...."
...several months later...
"...doomy doomy doom doom doom do doom doom doom... ooh what's that?"
/loves me some Gir
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*sigh*...
Nothing. Not from this anyway.
I predict dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria. Or an asteroid/meteor we missed.
/probably flung 'downward' in relation to the ecliptic plane and our poles by the Goa'uld at the north arctic region.
Nothing. Not from this anyway.
I predict dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria. Or an asteroid/meteor we missed.
/probably flung 'downward' in relation to the ecliptic plane and our poles by the Goa'uld at the north arctic region.
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why ? it's the frame work for concrete inside Hello isn't it ?
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Yeah, that's not good, obviously. I still like the MOAB idea, only set it off on top of a giant rubber plug so it gets jammed in there real good.
The tophat thing with the siphon will work pretty well, I think if the pressure stays like it is. As long as they can pump it out fast enough, it should work good enough to then permanently enclose the slider end. At that point, it's capped... until something else gives. I'm guessing at a lot of stuff happening, though, I'm probably a little off on the final configuration ideas.
But those numbers... man, gotta love spin... yes, it's definitely bad, don't get me wrong, but honestly... to me, it's blatant pandering to the masses for zOMG reaction:
Numbers mentioned:
20,000 gallons of oil being lost per day
4,000,000 gallons+ over the 21 days.
Sounds impressively bad bad bad right? well... convert things, as 42 gallons = 1 barrel
4762 barrels a day
100,000+ over the 21 days. Which is not surprising, I said that up above.
Still bad. But not nearly as bad as it sounds with the gallons measurement. Now, if they *really* wanted to impress, at 168 quarts per barrel:
800,000 quarts per day
Nearly 17 million total over the 21 days.
But I'm guessing it would sound a little TOO over the top... and might get them some evil eyes sent their way.
/What's up with Diane * shrieking* her lines at the beginning anyway?
The tophat thing with the siphon will work pretty well, I think if the pressure stays like it is. As long as they can pump it out fast enough, it should work good enough to then permanently enclose the slider end. At that point, it's capped... until something else gives. I'm guessing at a lot of stuff happening, though, I'm probably a little off on the final configuration ideas.
But those numbers... man, gotta love spin... yes, it's definitely bad, don't get me wrong, but honestly... to me, it's blatant pandering to the masses for zOMG reaction:
Numbers mentioned:
20,000 gallons of oil being lost per day
4,000,000 gallons+ over the 21 days.
Sounds impressively bad bad bad right? well... convert things, as 42 gallons = 1 barrel
4762 barrels a day
100,000+ over the 21 days. Which is not surprising, I said that up above.
Still bad. But not nearly as bad as it sounds with the gallons measurement. Now, if they *really* wanted to impress, at 168 quarts per barrel:
800,000 quarts per day
Nearly 17 million total over the 21 days.
But I'm guessing it would sound a little TOO over the top... and might get them some evil eyes sent their way.
/What's up with Diane * shrieking* her lines at the beginning anyway?
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Update:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100521
Well... if this is to be believed, which hey, I'm certainly no person to deny or confirm, then it may be up to 70,000 barrels per day instead of 5000. That's quite a difference, I'll admit
By day 21, that's 1,470,000 barrels. At that rate, it'll take 157 days to match the Iraqi oil dumping, or 5.25 months, give or take.
The previous 5000/day would have been 2200 days or 73 months, or 6 years to equal Iraq.
That's quite a jump, at 14 times the rate than previously reported... I'm betting it's somewhere in the middle at about 12,000 barrels or so, if they're right that it's way more than 5000.
Just bein' sure I'm being as forthcoming with the info as I can be... even if it's contradiction to previous 'facts' I've posted, which in this case is just the rate we've had to go with.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100521
Well... if this is to be believed, which hey, I'm certainly no person to deny or confirm, then it may be up to 70,000 barrels per day instead of 5000. That's quite a difference, I'll admit
By day 21, that's 1,470,000 barrels. At that rate, it'll take 157 days to match the Iraqi oil dumping, or 5.25 months, give or take.
The previous 5000/day would have been 2200 days or 73 months, or 6 years to equal Iraq.
That's quite a jump, at 14 times the rate than previously reported... I'm betting it's somewhere in the middle at about 12,000 barrels or so, if they're right that it's way more than 5000.
Just bein' sure I'm being as forthcoming with the info as I can be... even if it's contradiction to previous 'facts' I've posted, which in this case is just the rate we've had to go with.
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