The Viper SUX!
2/14/05 | 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by holderca1+February 8, 2005, 3:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(holderca1 @ February 8, 2005, 3:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-AnotherMustangMan@February 3, 2005, 2:00 PM
Matic,
You may be right but if Dodge doesnt do something about it, no matter how cheap their V10 is to manufacture, they'll lose even more money if everyones buying C6 Z06's. (not to mention look pretty stupid as their 505 CID beast gets absolutely slaughtered by a 40% cheaper car)
And halo cars such as the Viper (and Z06 while were talking about it) arent supposed to be cost efficient for the manufacturer anyway, Dodge makes Vipers to get ppl interested in Dodge so theyll buy Caravans, now if the Z06 is destroying the Viper for less $$, the average buyers might just go shopping for that HHR instead.
With the impending super-high performance Mustangs, C6 Z06, and other affordable almost-exotics, the Viper will be forced to undergo evolution or face death.
Matic,
You may be right but if Dodge doesnt do something about it, no matter how cheap their V10 is to manufacture, they'll lose even more money if everyones buying C6 Z06's. (not to mention look pretty stupid as their 505 CID beast gets absolutely slaughtered by a 40% cheaper car)
And halo cars such as the Viper (and Z06 while were talking about it) arent supposed to be cost efficient for the manufacturer anyway, Dodge makes Vipers to get ppl interested in Dodge so theyll buy Caravans, now if the Z06 is destroying the Viper for less $$, the average buyers might just go shopping for that HHR instead.
With the impending super-high performance Mustangs, C6 Z06, and other affordable almost-exotics, the Viper will be forced to undergo evolution or face death.
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The displacement isn't but the motor's physical size is. Especially compared to the monstorus mod motor.
2/11/06 | 11:17 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(StevenJ @ February 14, 2005, 7:54 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The new Z06 is not 40% less than a Viper, the Viper sticker is $85k, 40% less would be around $50k. The stock Vette runs about $45k and I would imagine the Z06 will somewhere around $70k. And what's your definition of being slaughtered? To me a Viper would slaughter a Focus(not the SVT version). I don't think the Z06 will beat the Viper by the same amount. The Vette's 7.0 L isn't exactly small either.
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The displacement isn't but the motor's physical size is. Especially compared to the monstorus mod motor.
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Steven, are you picking on AnotherMustangMan?
The new Z06 is not 40% less than a Viper, the Viper sticker is $85k, 40% less would be around $50k. The stock Vette runs about $45k and I would imagine the Z06 will somewhere around $70k. And what's your definition of being slaughtered? To me a Viper would slaughter a Focus(not the SVT version). I don't think the Z06 will beat the Viper by the same amount. The Vette's 7.0 L isn't exactly small either.
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The displacement isn't but the motor's physical size is. Especially compared to the monstorus mod motor.
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Steven, are you picking on AnotherMustangMan?
2/12/06 | 09:07 PM
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On this note I personally don't care about speed. I go for looks. And IMHO I think Vipers are the best looking cars on the road and I hope to own one someday. However I always wondered why the Z06 beats the Viper so bad. The older Vipers with 450 hp went 192 mph. This new one has 510 and doesn't beat the Z06 198 mph with a V-10? Dodge must really computer regulate the heck out of it or something to appease the government retards who want to destroy American cars. Anyway continue your bashing of Vipers.
And if anyone is gonna respond to this post please say something intellegent and not "Because the Viper sux!!!." [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
And if anyone is gonna respond to this post please say something intellegent and not "Because the Viper sux!!!." [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
2/12/06 | 10:42 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AnotherMustangMan @ February 1, 2005, 7:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Dude i am totally with you, i hate vipers. But not because of interior dimensions. I think they are an absolute disgrace to everything American. 8.3 liters of V10 rip snorting power. Sounds impressive right?, 700 hp shouldnt be out of the question naturally aspirated right? The thing only puts out 500! I know 500hp is more htan enough for 99.9999% of drivers, and probalby more than enough for even 99% of automotive enthusiasts, but the fact that dodge needed 8.3 liters to do it is pathetic. The 6.0liter-ish V10s found in the GR-1 concept and porsche carrera GTs put out 100 more hp with 2 less liters!
The viper either needs to get a smaller more fuel efficient 6.0 V10 or something that puts out comparable power, or just need to make that 8.3 liter make the 700+ hp it should.
Considering a 6.0liter viper would go against everything the performance idiots at D/C beleive in, i think they should go ahead and up the power instead of downsize the motor.
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If you go to wreckedexotics.com, its too much power for 90% of viper OWNERS
Dude i am totally with you, i hate vipers. But not because of interior dimensions. I think they are an absolute disgrace to everything American. 8.3 liters of V10 rip snorting power. Sounds impressive right?, 700 hp shouldnt be out of the question naturally aspirated right? The thing only puts out 500! I know 500hp is more htan enough for 99.9999% of drivers, and probalby more than enough for even 99% of automotive enthusiasts, but the fact that dodge needed 8.3 liters to do it is pathetic. The 6.0liter-ish V10s found in the GR-1 concept and porsche carrera GTs put out 100 more hp with 2 less liters!
The viper either needs to get a smaller more fuel efficient 6.0 V10 or something that puts out comparable power, or just need to make that 8.3 liter make the 700+ hp it should.
Considering a 6.0liter viper would go against everything the performance idiots at D/C beleive in, i think they should go ahead and up the power instead of downsize the motor.
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If you go to wreckedexotics.com, its too much power for 90% of viper OWNERS
2/13/06 | 05:57 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kevinb120 @ February 13, 2006, 12:45 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If you go to wreckedexotics.com, its too much power for 90% of viper OWNERS
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Ain't the cars fault. It's simply driver negligance. (Spelling?) Most of those exotic wrecks are rich idiots who have the worlds biggest ego and wrecked it while racing someone else and lost control. Not the cars fault that it's owned by an idiot.
However the legit accidents I DO have sympathy for.
If you go to wreckedexotics.com, its too much power for 90% of viper OWNERS
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Ain't the cars fault. It's simply driver negligance. (Spelling?) Most of those exotic wrecks are rich idiots who have the worlds biggest ego and wrecked it while racing someone else and lost control. Not the cars fault that it's owned by an idiot.
However the legit accidents I DO have sympathy for.
2/13/06 | 06:47 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kevinb120 @ February 13, 2006, 12:45 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If you go to wreckedexotics.com, its too much power for 90% of viper OWNERS
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I'm not sure how many people who replied to this thread have driven a Viper but I have.
I have driven many high performance cars (Ford GT, BMW M-5, Z06, etc.) and the Viper is BY FAR the most difficult to control. This car is so easy to get away from you. Sure if they paid that much money they should want to take care of the car but many of them really enjoy driving it and showing off its power. Accidents are going to happen with any vehicle that is driven.
If you go to wreckedexotics.com, its too much power for 90% of viper OWNERS
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I'm not sure how many people who replied to this thread have driven a Viper but I have.
I have driven many high performance cars (Ford GT, BMW M-5, Z06, etc.) and the Viper is BY FAR the most difficult to control. This car is so easy to get away from you. Sure if they paid that much money they should want to take care of the car but many of them really enjoy driving it and showing off its power. Accidents are going to happen with any vehicle that is driven.
2/13/06 | 07:28 AM
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I just don't understand why the car is $85,000. The engine is primitive as heck, there are no particularly exotic/expensive components or materials, and its not even light for what it is. The new Z06 however is the opposite of all of those things, yet twenty grand cheaper.
I say Dodge puts enough money into R&D to make a decent (read: more efficient, even if at the expense of torque) V10, uses (God forbid) ABS and TCS for once, then produces it at sufficient quantity to sell it at a reasonable price (see the Z06 for a good example.)
Of course if you feel that taints the "exclusivity" of the vehicle, Dodge can keep on selling its overpriced, underdeveloped, tricky to drive "man's car" and continue losing to the far cheaper Z06--which I feel is pretty darn manly, especially if the Viper driver doesn't cry.
I say Dodge puts enough money into R&D to make a decent (read: more efficient, even if at the expense of torque) V10, uses (God forbid) ABS and TCS for once, then produces it at sufficient quantity to sell it at a reasonable price (see the Z06 for a good example.)
Of course if you feel that taints the "exclusivity" of the vehicle, Dodge can keep on selling its overpriced, underdeveloped, tricky to drive "man's car" and continue losing to the far cheaper Z06--which I feel is pretty darn manly, especially if the Viper driver doesn't cry.
2/13/06 | 06:09 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05blackV6 @ February 12, 2006, 11:10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
On this note I personally don't care about speed. I go for looks. And IMHO I think Vipers are the best looking cars on the road and I hope to own one someday. However I always wondered why the Z06 beats the Viper so bad. The older Vipers with 450 hp went 192 mph. This new one has 510 and doesn't beat the Z06 198 mph with a V-10? Dodge must really computer regulate the heck out of it or something to appease the government retards who want to destroy American cars. Anyway continue your bashing of Vipers.
And if anyone is gonna respond to this post please say something intellegent and not "Because the Viper sux!!!." [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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Oh, you mean something intelligent, like "government retards"? ??
On this note I personally don't care about speed. I go for looks. And IMHO I think Vipers are the best looking cars on the road and I hope to own one someday. However I always wondered why the Z06 beats the Viper so bad. The older Vipers with 450 hp went 192 mph. This new one has 510 and doesn't beat the Z06 198 mph with a V-10? Dodge must really computer regulate the heck out of it or something to appease the government retards who want to destroy American cars. Anyway continue your bashing of Vipers.
And if anyone is gonna respond to this post please say something intellegent and not "Because the Viper sux!!!." [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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Oh, you mean something intelligent, like "government retards"? ??
2/14/06 | 12:35 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AnotherMustangMan @ February 13, 2006, 8:31 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I just don't understand why the car is $85,000. The engine is primitive as heck, there are no particularly exotic/expensive components or materials, and its not even light for what it is. The new Z06 however is the opposite of all of those things, yet twenty grand cheaper. [/b][/quote]
most of the reason that the viper is so expensive is that it is built in such limited quanities and unlike the vette thats base engine is used in almost every high performance gm model the viper shares few parts with any other car in the dodge line up besides its engine to the SRT10 pickup. which is also made in very limited quanities.
I just don't understand why the car is $85,000. The engine is primitive as heck, there are no particularly exotic/expensive components or materials, and its not even light for what it is. The new Z06 however is the opposite of all of those things, yet twenty grand cheaper. [/b][/quote]
most of the reason that the viper is so expensive is that it is built in such limited quanities and unlike the vette thats base engine is used in almost every high performance gm model the viper shares few parts with any other car in the dodge line up besides its engine to the SRT10 pickup. which is also made in very limited quanities.
2/14/06 | 04:28 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AnotherMustangMan @ February 14, 2006, 9:44 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, thats why I suggested "then produces it at sufficient quantity to sell it at a reasonable price" in my How to Fix Viper rambling.
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Maybe just dump the V10 altogether and replace it with a more heavily modded version of the 6.1L "HEMI" V8. They stuff it into so many different SRT edition vehicles, it should qualify for "sufficient quantity" compared to the Viper's current engine. Whether it could sell "at a reasonable price", who knows? It could reduce weight, but might shift the F/R weight distribution way too much to the rear - then again, this would make it a lot closer to the original Shelby Cobra. Probably sound better too.
Yeah, thats why I suggested "then produces it at sufficient quantity to sell it at a reasonable price" in my How to Fix Viper rambling.
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Maybe just dump the V10 altogether and replace it with a more heavily modded version of the 6.1L "HEMI" V8. They stuff it into so many different SRT edition vehicles, it should qualify for "sufficient quantity" compared to the Viper's current engine. Whether it could sell "at a reasonable price", who knows? It could reduce weight, but might shift the F/R weight distribution way too much to the rear - then again, this would make it a lot closer to the original Shelby Cobra. Probably sound better too.
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