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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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Lets not forget that the Ferrari 288gto and F40 were powered by 3.0L twin turbo V8s. Those were screamers and that was almost 30 years ago.
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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Overhead cams!


No one at a Chevy dealer will know how to work on them!



They will have to send them over to the Ford dealer for repairs.
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 11:09 PM
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Overhead cams!


No one at a Chevy dealer will know how to work on them!



They will have to send them over to the Ford dealer for repairs.
The Ford dealer won't know how to work on them either. Fords are so reliable, they've never had to, unlike a Chevy.
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B.Blown
The Ford dealer won't know how to work on them either. Fords are so reliable, they've never had to, unlike a Chevy.
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 07:48 PM
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Oh, so you can get your V8, or a smaller turbo engine in the Vette?

So... what, is this a Corvette SVO or something?

/That worked well for Mustang, after all...
//Love me my SVO until it broke... that was too special a car for the layman.
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 10:24 PM
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There was no replacement for displacement 30 years ago an there still isn't. I mean don't they rebuild formula 1 engines after every race. Just let muscle be muscle and European be European. There's Honda's and crotch rockets for the in betweeners.
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Old Jun 12, 2011 | 05:12 AM
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I believe the proposed 3.0 engine has been axed for the 'Vette at present time. I think "Lt. Dan" nixed it.

I mean don't they rebuild formula 1 engines after every race
No . . . F1 teams have 8 engines for a 19 (20) race schedule. (The engines had to last only 2 races a few years ago.)

However, NHRA Top Fuel/Funny Car/Pro Stock engines are rebuilt between rounds . . . with amazing speed I might add!
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Old Jun 12, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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BTW, it's interesting to note that F1 engines are going to be smaller 1.6L turbo 4 cylinder behemoths soon...

/that's a whopping *95* cubic inches of stump pulling hairy chested manliness, ladies.
//Even at double atmospheric boost which is about 14PSI, that's only 190ci... I think. It's weird how that works...
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Old Jun 12, 2011 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by houtex
BTW, it's interesting to note that F1 engines are going to be smaller 1.6L turbo 4 cylinder behemoths soon...

/that's a whopping *95* cubic inches of stump pulling hairy chested manliness, ladies.
//Even at double atmospheric boost which is about 14PSI, that's only 190ci... I think. It's weird how that works...
Yes but they will operate upwards of 10,000 RPM for the majority of their life. "Low end torque" is not important to them.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 02:51 AM
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Formula one has had to compensate for artifical performance restrictions. The tiny boosted engines are the result of limits on fuel consumption. Performance limits were first put on air intake size to in effect place to ban the turbine powered cars which were scary fast. Next to be banned were the chapparell type cars which used a vacuume engine in stead of wings to produce down force. It became apparent that formula 1 was no longer about the ultimate machine producing the fastest speeds. We would be seeing 300 mph laps by now otherwise.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 04:52 AM
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Corvette won in both classes where competed this past weekend at LeMans 24 hours race, finishing ahead of Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Star
Corvette won in both classes where competed this past weekend at LeMans 24 hours race, finishing ahead of Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911.
A small turbo-diesel Audi won overall . . . .
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Capri

A small turbo-diesel Audi won overall . . . .
Not because of speed, because of overall less fuel stops
Maybe I'm wrong though

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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hahnsolo78
Not because of speed, because of overall less fuel stops
Maybe I'm wrong though
Might want to check lap times . . . .
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Capri

However, NHRA Top Fuel/Funny Car/Pro Stock engines are rebuilt between rounds . . . with amazing speed I might add!

yes.. that is just amazing to watch, they can rebuild a complete drivetrain in under 1 hour.. freaking insane..

and just a fun fact.. There is enough fuel in the cylinder that it is almost at the point of hydrolock at WOT in those cars..
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Star
Corvette won in both classes where competed this past weekend at LeMans 24 hours race, finishing ahead of Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911.
worth noting that the Corvettes are a factory effort, their team is using resources to build and race their card not available to the second-place team, AF Corse, whose Ferrari finished on the same lap.
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sinisterbullitt
There was no replacement for displacement 30 years ago an there still isn't. I mean don't they rebuild formula 1 engines after every race. Just let muscle be muscle and European be European. There's Honda's and crotch rockets for the in betweeners.
Europe knows that, the new V12 in the Lambo Aventador is 396 cubic inches and puts out 691hp and 509 ft/lbs.

for what its worth, using torque per cube or torque per liter is a better way of comparing engines since torque is an aggregate measure of the engines breathing and mechanical effciency and is not skewed by time like HP is, for example; the Lambo's V12 makes 1.11 ft/lbs per cubic inch at peak HP and the Mustang GT makes 1.10 ft/lbs per cube at peak HP.

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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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^ What about peak horsepower per cubic inch? Gt vs Lamborghini. Because I know that either way a lambo will win
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sinisterbullitt
^ What about peak horsepower per cubic inch? Gt vs Lamborghini. Because I know that either way a lambo will win
and is not skewed by time <--- and thats the rub with horsepower. In the case of HP your converting force into a unit of work (remeber horsepower = torque x rpm / 5252) which is great for predicting the performance of the vehicle the engine resides in but doesn't really tell whats going with the engine itself.

An excellent example within Ford's own stable is the Boss 302, in almost every metric the Boss is better than the GT with the only trade off being a slight loss of torque for more upper RPM power. Its 440hp is only coming in at 1.02 ft/lbs per cube. If the Boss could maintain the GT's ft/lbs per cube in stock trim (or advetised trim as the case may be) it would be knocking down 480+ hp at its 7500 peak power.

In an apples to apples comparison at peak power, the Boss is running out of steam for whatever reason which may or may not be a physical limitation of the engine.

By the by, if the Boss can maintain that 1.02 ft/lbs per cube at 8250 it would make around 480 hp as well.

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