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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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Lutz full of Crap, tries to scare Customers over CAFE standards

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/10/l...icles-on-hold/
This guy could work at the White House with tactics like that.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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NICE COMMENT on the new Camaro!!


"it's too late to stop it"
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 03:40 PM
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This is pathetic. The truth of the matter is more likely that these new CAFE standards simply gave GM a convenient excuse for cancelling their latest, promised rwd renaissance
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 11:11 PM
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Wow thanks... i hadn't realized until i saw this thread that, while I think Mullaly's a smart guy, Lutz seems like a ... p... putz. Sorry... had too.

My love for Ford is obviously cause I grew up in the back seat of one. But I think if it had been somebody like Lutz at the wheel instead of Bill Ford and now Mullaly, I woulda forgotten about the company a long time ago. While maybe Bill Ford wasn't the perfect CEO in terms of pushing the company back up to the top, at least I liked him as a person and I appreciated the values he instilled in the company. And now Mullaly seems like the best of both worlds, as far as I can tell. At least he's got some engineering experience, unlike Lutz.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mustang_sallad
My love for Ford is obviously cause I grew up in the back seat of one. But I think if it had been somebody like Lutz at the wheel instead of Bill Ford and now Mullaly, I woulda forgotten about the company a long time ago. While maybe Bill Ford wasn't the perfect CEO in terms of pushing the company back up to the top, at least I liked him as a person and I appreciated the values he instilled in the company. And now Mullaly seems like the best of both worlds, as far as I can tell. At least he's got some engineering experience, unlike Lutz.
I find it interesting how much Lutz is praised considering what an idiot he is. People hear "Solstice" and "Camaro" and "RWD" and think he's a god. Then he backtracks, screws up, or ignores a market segment and suddenly people are like "Why, Bob, Why?"
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 10:08 PM
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I hope lutz doesnt kill the G8.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GT40 2
I hope lutz doesnt kill the G8.

Me 2.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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On second thought, after actually skimming through the article, I believe projects like the G8 will ALL be put on hold. It's pretty obvious that if this Camaro revival wasn't so far in, he'd have pulled the plug. Gee, I wonder how many years they'll make that car? 2? 3?

Alas, I'm sure the good ol Mustang will still be going once the Camaro is shot for a SECOND time. WOW, they are fast, so fast in fact they go in and out of production at the speed of light.

So much for GM making a serious comeback.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 02:05 AM
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I just checked, the pontiac G8 is still on the pontiac web site.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 02:39 AM
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"if we legislate CO2 from cars, why not legislate we take one less breath per minute since human release capricious amounts of CO2?"

Fool. He can't even get his science right. Cars emit carbon monoxide, a green house gas, and people exhale carbon dioxide.

This is gonna hurt GM where it lives right now.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 02:56 AM
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Actually, engines emit both carbon monoxide AND carbon dioxide. More CO2 than CO, but still enough to kill you...and WAY WAY more of both than any human produces.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by theedge67
Actually, engines emit both carbon monoxide AND carbon dioxide. More CO2 than CO, but still enough to kill you...and WAY WAY more of both than any human produces.
True, but I didn't see the point in mentioning it as it's rather negligible by comparison.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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True, but I didn't see the point in mentioning it as it's rather negligible by comparison.
I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure carbon monoxide is not a greenhouse gas. And cars emit many times more carbon dioxide than monoxide. Dioxide is a greenhouse gas.

I guess I'm not really sure what you are saying here...
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by theedge67
I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure carbon monoxide is not a greenhouse gas. And cars emit many times more carbon dioxide than monoxide. Dioxide is a greenhouse gas.

I guess I'm not really sure what you are saying here...
No...you're right, I didn't articulate myself properly - I meant human emissions are negligible by comparison.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Ah, yes...I don't know what the heck Putz was talking about there. typical politician.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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Cars and humans both exhale carbon dioxide. Cars produce a little bit of Carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide, if inhaled, will bond with your blood cells in a way that prevents you from getting oxygen into your blood stream, and can kill you. Carbon monoxide has what you'd call an acute effect, like it'll kill you if your house fills up with it. But it doesn't build up, and once it's released into the atmosphere, it'll eventually pick up an extra oxygen atom and turn into CO2.
I think Lutz was saying that, while CO and NOx and all that stuff are undesired byproducts of combustion, a perfectly functioning engine will produce a bunch of CO2, its just the natural reaction that's supposed to happen in the engine. So i think he was trying to promote that "natural" aspect to it, as though that's supposed to make it okay.
The point remains that producing CO2 like that is not cool when its done on such a huge scale. There's a natural carbon cycle on this planet, animals breathing, volcanoes erupting, plants sucking it all back in... But you can't just say... "humans exhale it! why can't we build a billion cars that spew the stuff out at a hundred times the rate? Its a natural gas!"
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