mr_speedvision

Well, it happened. GM and Chrysler are gonna get back into the Pony car segment! Heres the article...

05fordgt

Thanks for the article , but this is old news. The Challenger is all but assured (2009 earliest, a tad late to the party,+ only 60k units per year, not enough to hurt the Mustang), but a new Camaro is still unlikely, as GM promised the CAW that if a new Camaro would ever appear, it would be built in Canada, and I hear this isn't happening and since their new upcoming RWD platform got the ax for costing too much, the new Camaro is in high doubt. The new GTO is going to come out, but no new Camaro/Firebird/Trans-Am

PottyScotty

That article was only posted this month (August 4, 2005), so it looks like they may be uncancelling the Camaro.

ekessler507

If Dodge really comes through and produces the Challenger with enough HP and looks to compete with the Mustang, I may just have to consider buying one. That way, the wife and I could race anytime we wanted to ... he, he!!



EK

jefferz

I'd love to see another muscle car war again...

jgsmuzzy

I am going to move this to General vehicle discussion

GhostTX

Interesting.

I'll believe the GM though when I see car.

DAWAKI

its about time....mustang needs competition....camaros way to expensive and cudas....oh oh the hemi is back too.

Andy Haynes

I dont think your gonna see any kind of a muscle car war the way gas prices are .

Ian7654

i dont think gas prices should stop it from happening. high strung four bangers dont get a million miles to the gallon if you flog them the way many people do. still, lots of 8000 rpm four bangers are around and their owners love them (even though they never see the EPA advertised milage).

in any case, i'd love to see a hemi cuda, as long as it's actually a 2 door and doesn't use repackaged mercedes suspension (aka dodge charger).

Herknav

Bah! if folks cared about the price of gas, they wouldn't be buying Excursions, Hummers, and Suburbans...

Andy Haynes

Some people do and you can see it in the sales of them. Incase you havent notices they arent selling like they were .

bigred0383

I think we are in the midst of one. Look what M-B AMG, BMW M, and the Audi S's are doing. Look at the future of Ford's SVT, Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep SRT, Cadilliac's V and Chevy's SS. This IS the new golden age.

Ian7654

i totally agree bigred. i don't understand the people who say we aren't in a horsepower war. this is the "total war" of horsepower wars. by that i mean it isn't just sports cars getting boosts. you can get an altima with 260 hp, that's in sn95 GT territory (torque is different i know). the line between standard car and luxo-performance car acceleration is diminishing. everyday type cars are getting better at turning too. add to that the fact that overall car quality is going up, and you can see why audi wants to sell a 25-30k car (the A3); because people can buy a lower brand car for that price and get quality and performance. the bar is being raised all around, and companies are struggling to keep up. this is also why ford needs to hurry the heck up with the duratec 35. we are way behind in the hp war. the fact that there is no direct competitor to the mustang is our only saving grace.

Shibbiestang

Just like usual FORD is leading the way!.... I deff think the muscle car wars are starting all over again.... almost a repeat of the 60's....Mustangs come out then the camaro and everything...

Ian7654

i think it'd be sweet to have a torino to fight with the GTO's. maybe they could put the hurricane V-8 in it. that would rock!

why is ford building 4 of the same car (mazda 6, ford fusion, merc milan, lincoln zephyer) when we could use some diversity? i mean what is mercury these days other than a ford with two tone leather? so frustrating!

dswhalen

I don't think the competition is going to ignore a 200K per year nitch market for very long. I bet they throw something together to compete with the new Mustang far sooner than 4 years.

Bring it on. I always thought Chrysler should have named the Crossfire the Cuda. With a little tweeking it kinda looks like a modern Cuda.

If Chev brings out a Camaro it will be a front wheel drive POS like the Monte Carlo. IMO

Ian7654

arg. the crossfire is a nice car but it bugs me that chrysler didnt make the car, just the skin. an american car should be original. i've got the same problem with the GTO... both nice cars though. i think the crossfire is a little small to be direct competition.