Q`res

Just to clarify, my point is not that H2=Overpriced Suburban, therefore it is bad, and H3=Overpriced Colorado, therefore it is good. My problem is that the price of the H2 and it's size make it a good bit less likely to be taken dirt-hopping. Neither is a vehicle I would likely own, I simply find the H3 more agreeable. I would like to see Hummer as more of an American Land Rover, perhaps that's where my preference comes from.

Also, Mustang Sallad, I don't think this is really an argument, more like a debate. Red Star and I have differing opinions on the matter, I like to discuss opposing viewpoints, I find it to be fun (ok, I just said I found debating on an internet forum fun... The geek is strong with this one )

Also, Red Star, I've seen people with English as a first language that would envy your ability with it.

burningman

actually the h2 is based on the tahoe. It is a proven off road joke. No serious off roader would be caught dead in this thing..but then I'm sure it was never intended as a pure off roader. The H3 is IMO ugly as sin. and the H1 is too rediculous to even be on the road.

Q`res

Actually, I beg to differ, I remember quite explicitly that the H2 is based on a 1-ton SUV chassis, which makes the Suburban the only game in town at GM. The Tahoe is only offered in 1/2-ton variety. Of course, the Tahoe and 'Burb are just different lengths of the exact same truck, so this may be a "splitting hairs" situation.

I don't disagree with you for the most part, except that the H3 is better looking than the H2 in my view. But since that's purely subjective, I guess there's no point in debating that.

I still think Hummer could have been an American Land Rover, but that's simply not within GM's ability to execute IMO.

korinwoodo

Quote
"The H2 is built under contract by AM General at a specially-constructed plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, USA. Although it shares GM's GMT820 truck platform with the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon, those vehicles differ substantially and are constructed in three other GM plants."

I believe Q'res is incorrect.

Q`res

GMT820 just so happens to be the exact same platform on which the Suburban rides, so no I am not.

korinwoodo

Whoops. Maybe not
"GMT800

The GMT800 and similar GMT880 is the basis for the current Chevrolet Silverado pickup truck. The derived GMT820 and GMT830 is used in the Suburban, among other large SUVs.

It uses three boxed-in hydroformed sections rather than a single long frame. This gives greater flexibility to the platform. A total of four front modules, seven midsections, and four rear sections were created to mix and match for nearly 40 different truck configurations.

The GMT800 platform was introduced in 1999. Frames are manufactured by Magna International in Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico and St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada. Final assembly is in Oshawa, Ontario, Pontiac, Michigan, and Fort Wayne, Indiana. The GMT820-based Hummer H2 is built under contract by AM General at a specially-constructed plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, USA.[1] (http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_plans_plenty/)

Applications:

* GMT800/880
o Chevrolet Silverado
o GMC Sierra
* GMT820/830
o Cadillac Escalade
o Chevrolet Avalanche
o Chevrolet Suburban
o Chevrolet Tahoe
o GMC Yukon
o Hummer H2"

Source

korinwoodo

My apologies.

burningman

It's all good mate.
Technically the Land rover is american
Owned by Ford

Q`res

hahaha Indeed, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say that.

mustang_sallad

word!

kind of off topic, but does anybody know what's going on with the Army's plan to replace the hummers? I heard one thing about how they wanna stop using these huge things for just carting around bases and stuff. Like, sure its great for mounting machine guns on, forging rivers, and driving over land mines, but they say they use these things way too much when they're not needed, so the army was looking at building a new, hybrid powered vehicle for lighter duty.

okay here we go:
[url=http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,67271,00.html[/url]

not too shabby! $20K!


haha... "overkill". That's a good word to describe the humvee being used in non-tactical situations, let alone carting the soccer mom to the grocery store.


edit: fixed tha link

TomServo92

Jeff, you might want to check that URL in your post. All it does is take you to a page to respond to a post by Q'Res.

Rickster

Had a chance to drive the H1 at Hummer's off road proving grounds. They had both the H1 and H2's availble for drives. The guys there said we'd have a lot more fun in the H1 and they weren't kidding. Had my two sons with me and they also got a turn behind the wheel. Pics on page 2 of my cardomain site if your interested.

Autotooner

no pic...

korinwoodo

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/802983/2

mustang_sallad

thanks for the heads up mark.

here's another interesting story about a Hybrid Humvee tested by the army recently. This is more about stealth than about fuel savings, though It would certainly benefit from lower emissions and mileage.

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,1463...hybrid,,00.html

mustang_sallad

oh, sweet, an even cooler one. this time with a pic:



I love how they worded this:

But don't worry, a green-friendly Humvee is fairly low-priority on the DoD's list of innovations.

I guess some of the people checking out military.com would be annoyed at the thought of an environmentally concious military.

Not very clear about the range of this thing though. It says it can do 738 miles without the batteries, and it can do 32 miles without turning on the diesle. It doesn't say how far it can extend the 738 miles when the two work together. It'd probably be significantly more than just an extra 32 miles, since on top of a full battery, it would also recharge with any braking.