With D/R's, software, xpipe with HFCs, high flow air filter and a crank pulley. The car had no skinnies...

I know this guy his name is Drew...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG-B3...layer_embedded

 

Moving to 'General Vehicle Discussion,' but will leave a link for a day . . .

 

So he didn't lose any time to his wheels lifting off?

 

It may be faster than the 5.0 with comparable mods but it's almost twice as much and it's a BMW, I expect it to be faster for that much.

 

Boy that DCT can really bang the gears, technology is a wonderful thing... I guess **** fast car though.

 

how close is the performance of a 6sp manual vs DCT in those cars? I love those M3's; one of my favorite cars.

 

The DCT's seem to be about .1-.3 tenths quicker in both 0-60 and the quarter with trap speeds (more a measure of HP) are about the same.

The real advantage of DCTs are off the strip and on the track where their quickness and control can really be taken advantage of and allow the driver to really focus on all aspects of driving and car control.

That a modded M3 would be so fast ought not to be too surprising for a company named Bavarian MOTOR Works. If nothing else, those boys from Bavaria do know how to make some good motors.

 

I wouldn't really expect an M3 to beat the living hell out of the Mustang in the quarter. Where I expect it is in the twisties for what it costs and what the M3 is supposed to be.

 

They are nearly the same in P/W (well stock at least) and the DCT really helps to effciently transfer power. The 1 liter difference in displcement is largely academic.

If say for example you had a Mustang and an M3 with an equivalent P/W ratio even with differing displacements and transmissions optimized for each engine (although one being a standard manual and the other being a DCT/DSG) Plugging the runs into any number of performance analyzers would show the DCT/DSG car putting down more RWHP (even though a chassis dyno would more than likely show a different story).

Still IMO a cadmean victory, a DCT/DSG really only celebrates the ability of the calibration engineer rather than the skill of the driver. Ultimately this is the way of the future where the driver is little more than a passenger who merely points the vehicle in the direction they wish it to go rather than actually piloting the vehicle (Nissan's GT-R and Mitsubishi's Evo-X take this to yet another level).

Now that said, if your simply in the business of winning (be it to earn money or simply stuff a mantle full of trophies) then by all means, use evey tool at your disposal.

This sorta reminds me of recent Automobile article where they pitted a Mercilago (SP??? to lazy right now to check) against a 911 GT3 (IIRC), the Mercilago was AWD with DCT and the Porsche RWD with a standard trans and while the Mercilago was the faster car, the Prsche was the more rewarding car to drive.

 

Pre-2010, I would have agreed with you. The newer Mustangs, though, can more than hold their own in the twisties.

 

With virtually the same basic mods as this M3, Evolution's 2011 5.0L Mustang has run 11.82 @ 118 MPH.

https://themustangsource.com/showpos...82&postcount=1

 

Oh i'm not doubting the Mustang at all! If anything, i'm shaking my head at BMW and giving the thumbs up to Ford. The 2011 really is something different and great and deserves the spotlight its in.

However, for the ridiculous price the M3 is(because it is ridiculous), I expect more. Whenever you spend more concerning vehicles, you expect more. Maybe the M3 is more of a payment for the badge it wears. Granted, its a step up from the E46, that M badge that it does wear should mean its above and beyond the rest, not just barely.

I'll give you a good example. An import magazine(I forget which one) did a test between a GTR and a 370Z with sport package. The 370Z was not much slower than the GTR, even on a wet track with RWD as opposed to the AWD advantage the GTR carries. With just a little bit more added to it, the 370Z would be right along side the GTR, which is ridiculous in my opinion, due to the fact of the MASSIVE cost difference. The GTR is a good vehicle...however, it would appear, as with the Mustang as well, the "lesser" vehicle was built very, very well.

 

Or greater than the sum of its parts

 

not to mention their creme filled doughnuts