Maybe....I've actually wondered if it will retain the 2,3 lockout that the Vette still uses in combination with cylinder deactivation. Still, I'm not sure it will be enough to save the Camaro if it's close to G8 weight.

Your not stupid bro......and what boomer said more or less covered it. GWRD is a global Read Wheel Drive platform meant to replace everything from the Mustang, to the Aussie Falcon, to the existing Taurus according to some.

 

haha... imagine having both of those gizmo's on the stang..

"Help.. I can't shift into 2nd and I think I lost 4 cylinders..."

Just like before, I'd be pullin the fuse or getting a tuner to remove those straight fast and in a hurry.

Might be lighter than the equivalent LS3 G8... but by how much.

I'm still guessing V6 in the 3600-3700
and LS3 Camaro in the 3850-3950 range

 

LOL. It does make one wonder how much longer the EPA is going to allow things like the skip-shift to slide since, in reality, it is more of a system cheat than a true mpg enhancer out here in the real world..

I'm with you. And with rumors indicating that the Mustang might well drop a few pounds for 2010 it isn't unthinkable that the Camaro may be spotting the Mustang four hundred pounds plus in V8 trim.

 

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...&rssfeed=rss01

 

By the time the Camaro comes out this will be its competition!!!

 

i find it funny lutz uses pushrod as a bad point when talking about the V6 yet any V8 that the camaro gets will have pushrods...

 

Yeah, Maximum Putz does have the double-speak down pat. He should really think about running for office.

 

The koolaiders (i mean followers...i mean faithful)
feel that the number is taken out of context and that the car WILL recieve the DI 3.6 with 304hp in their Base V6

If it does it'll be WAY more expensive than the mustang,
be as expensive or close to...insuring as a mustang GT
and price LOTS of people out of the market

 

The more details that are revealed the more this looks like a repeat of the 2004+ GTO philosophy only with the addition of a (still expensive) V6 model and a retro Camaro outfit.

 

You know that if it is the 260hp version the koolaiders will blindly swear it is 'under rated' and really 340hp anyway.

 

Wow how did a "couple thousand" (which was admittedly Mike's guess) turn into a 36K V6 option. Re-read it, he had to edit it from the original posting as he misquoted on the pricing issue. Even by his guess you are looking at 2K more model for model.

One can only guess as to the GGT as I see it being less aero than the G8 yet I'm sure it will have more power. The skip shift is more an annoyance than somethign that would actually improve mileage. I don't see how it even could be used to make it by even in testing. It is an annoyance of GM owners everywhere that I personally cannot stand. Give me the AFM or something else to deal with.

A 260 HP v6 is less believable as the lowest HP Version of that motor installed so far is 285. I don't see GM giving the Camaro a less powerful engine than the Acadia. The 260 HP is just what the 4 makes and somehow got inferred.

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Just my opinion, but I'm going to guess that his guess is a best case scenario. Lutz isn't stupid, and unless the price difference is going to be blatantly noticeable, so much so that it will prompt consumers to ask why, he would be far better off to downplay said difference by not mentioning it at all thereby minimizing the risk of drawing undue attention to the same. If he's mentioning it then there is very good reason, and my guess is that any price difference large enough to warrant this kind of attention is going to be 2k at the very least.

 

That 260 HP v6 comes from Lutz. You'll have to ask him,

 

Wasn't talking about yours was referring to the one who posted 36K for a V6 model. I expected the Camaro to be a tad higher priced than the Mustang, as do most yet over 2K seems a stretch.

Peper says 300 and it seems more logical I'll go with that.

 

While trying not to delve to deeply into the "angels dancing on the head of a pin" argument regarding muscle vs. pony cars are, it does seem that GM's intent is to position (marketing wise) the Camaro as something a bit more than a big-motored blunderbuss of a muscle car -- this despite offering big, blunderbuss motors. But it would indicate that they'll also put a lot of emphasis on making the V6 cars, at least the purported 300hp RS model, actually enticing to performance buffs rather than just a cheap entry point for secretaries and teenagers. And talk of plonking the Turbo four into the engine bay also indicates that they're thinking outside the box a bit regarding performance.

I imagine Ford could readily counter with a 300hp version of the 3.5/3.7 in an otherwise GT'esque chassis.

I can see Chevy offering more "value" with somewhat higher content (IRS, six speed trannies, more well rounded performance envelope, etc.) while Ford may default to more "affordability" by offering a bit less for a bit less (live axle, 5 speeds, focus on straight line acceleration, etc.). The Dodge Challenger may be closer to the Chevy Camaro approach, maybe even a hair above it on the food chain.

 

The Acadia makes 275 hp. Perhaps Lutz is referring to the one found in the Malibu that makes 252 hp, or the one in the CTS that makes 263 hp? 260 seems pretty believable.

 

Shhh, don't call the Camaro a muscle car...


http://www.businessweek.com/autos/au...dont_call.html

 

In terms of content it seems that the only things the Mustang is likely to give up to the Camaro is IRS and some standard equipment which will almost certainly be available as an option on the Ford. I say this because six speed transmissions seem a given at this juncture by the 2011MY. For me this is getting very interesting. Yes, the Camaro will offer IRS while the Mustang will soldier on until at least the 2013MY with a SRA, but the Camaro appears certain to be a much heavier car which will negate more than a little of what the IRS brings to the table. Even more, it seems the rear suspension in the Mustang is getting a rather significant upgrade, and given how good it already is for a SRA design that begs the question...will the Mustang be a better handler than the Camaro?

Further consider the likelihood of a 400+hp 5.0L V8 in the GT model, the serious possibility of a torque happy GTDi 3.5L model to bridge the gap between the base model and said 400hp GT, and the addition of the very nice SYNC option which the Camaro likely still wont offer a counter for by the 2011MY.

By the 2011MY I think the Camaro could be in an even worse position than the last gen GTo when it comes to justifying a price premium over the Mustang. Just my opinion.

 

In terms of content it seems that the only things the Mustang is likely to give up to the Camaro is IRS and some standard equipment which will almost certainly be available as an option on the Ford. I say this because six speed transmissions seem a given at this juncture by the 2011MY. For me this is getting very interesting. Yes, the Camaro will offer IRS while the Mustang will soldier on until at least the 2013MY with a SRA, but the Camaro appears certain to be a much heavier car which will negate more than a little of what the IRS brings to the table. Even more, it seems the rear suspension in the Mustang is getting a rather significant upgrade, and given how good it already is for a SRA design that begs the question...will the Mustang be a better handler than the Camaro?

Further consider the likelihood of a 400+hp 5.0L V8 in the GT model, the serious possibility of a torque happy GTDi 3.5L model to bridge the gap between the base model and said 400hp GT, and the addition of the very nice SYNC option which the Camaro likely still wont offer a counter for by the 2011MY, and you have a situation where, by the 2011MY, the Camaro could be in a poor position when it comes to justifying a price premium over the Mustang. Just my opinion.

 

Yeah they'd have to do some fancy dancing to sell the V6s at 36K plus