Camaro Priced higher than Mustang, 4 banger in future?
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Camaro Priced higher than Mustang, 4 banger in future?
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../FREE/86927553
I'm sure Ford will keep its cards closer and not let any info like this out.
Besides the Camaro will probably have the lead in HP for a year, until the 2011 Mustang comes out.
- He's comparing it to the current mustang
- V6 = 260ish horsepower from the 3.6L
- V8 = 400+ish horsepower from the more than like LS3
- Price WILL be higher than the Mustang
- Chances are it'll be heavier too
- Considering the 2.0L Turbo from the Solstice/Sky if fuel prices keep rising (rated at 260hp as well)
I'm sure Ford will keep its cards closer and not let any info like this out.
Besides the Camaro will probably have the lead in HP for a year, until the 2011 Mustang comes out.
Last edited by Boomer; Mar 19, 2008 at 02:20 PM.
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Also found this. I don't know the original source or how accurate it is. There are some obvious mistakes in it.
Camaro
MSRP* $ 21,750.00 (base price) to $ 36,620.00 (fully optioned)
Standard Options:
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 240 hp 3.9L 3900 V6
• Tires: front and rear, P235/40-17,
• Wheels: 17- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
Optional Base V6:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL $195
• Automatic Transmission $850
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 17- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Convertible $4000
• Power Sunroof $2000
• Floor mats: carpeted $75
• RALLY SPORT PACKAGE- 310hp HF V6 with DOD, dual exhaust, 17" aluminum polished wheels with P245/40-17 tires, RS badges, fog lamps, body-color grille inserts, front and rear fascia extensions $3000
Super Sport Camaro (SS)
MSRP* $ 28,145.00 (base price) to $ 41,745.00 (fully optioned)
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 420 hp 6.0L 6000 V8 LS3 with DOD
• Duel exhaust
• Tires: front and rear, P245/40ZR-18,
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• Fog lamps
• SS grille
• SS hood with scoop
• SS front and rear fascia
• SS Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted
Optional SS:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• PERFORMANCE PACKAGE- performance handling suspension with stiffer springs, stabilizer bars, performance axle ratio, chrome tail pipes $2000
• Automatic Transmission $850
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Convertible $4000
• Power Sunroof $2000
Z28 Camaro (Limited Production)
MSRP* $ 39,250.00 (base price) to $ 44,985.00 (fully optioned)
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Performance large cross drilled rotors
• performance handling suspension with stiffer springs, stabilizer bars, performance axle ratio
• Engine: 525 hp Supercharged 6.0L 6000 V8 LS9
• Special Z28 exhaust outlets, polished, four-inch stainless-steel tips
• Tires: front, P275/40ZR-19,
• Tires: rear, P295/40ZR-19,
• Wheels: 18- x 9.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• Fog lamps
• Z28 grille
• Z28 hood with scoop
• Z28 front and rear fascia
• Z28 Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted
Optional Z28:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 19- x 9.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Power Sunroof $2000
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MSRP* $ 21,750.00 (base price) to $ 36,620.00 (fully optioned)
Standard Options:
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 240 hp 3.9L 3900 V6
• Tires: front and rear, P235/40-17,
• Wheels: 17- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
Optional Base V6:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL $195
• Automatic Transmission $850
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 17- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Convertible $4000
• Power Sunroof $2000
• Floor mats: carpeted $75
• RALLY SPORT PACKAGE- 310hp HF V6 with DOD, dual exhaust, 17" aluminum polished wheels with P245/40-17 tires, RS badges, fog lamps, body-color grille inserts, front and rear fascia extensions $3000
Super Sport Camaro (SS)
MSRP* $ 28,145.00 (base price) to $ 41,745.00 (fully optioned)
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 420 hp 6.0L 6000 V8 LS3 with DOD
• Duel exhaust
• Tires: front and rear, P245/40ZR-18,
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• Fog lamps
• SS grille
• SS hood with scoop
• SS front and rear fascia
• SS Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted
Optional SS:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• PERFORMANCE PACKAGE- performance handling suspension with stiffer springs, stabilizer bars, performance axle ratio, chrome tail pipes $2000
• Automatic Transmission $850
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Convertible $4000
• Power Sunroof $2000
Z28 Camaro (Limited Production)
MSRP* $ 39,250.00 (base price) to $ 44,985.00 (fully optioned)
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Performance large cross drilled rotors
• performance handling suspension with stiffer springs, stabilizer bars, performance axle ratio
• Engine: 525 hp Supercharged 6.0L 6000 V8 LS9
• Special Z28 exhaust outlets, polished, four-inch stainless-steel tips
• Tires: front, P275/40ZR-19,
• Tires: rear, P295/40ZR-19,
• Wheels: 18- x 9.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• Fog lamps
• Z28 grille
• Z28 hood with scoop
• Z28 front and rear fascia
• Z28 Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted
Optional Z28:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 19- x 9.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Power Sunroof $2000
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As I expected, Chevy is targeting the premium version of this car at a bit more upscale clientele, while also offering a base model that offers a bit more specific content than a base Mustang for similar dough.
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To be fair isn't the Camaro a year away and shouldn't the comparison be with the base Mustang in '10?
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Chevy's base Vette just keeps going up in price, and the ZO6 is fantastic but completely out of most peoples price range as its becoming an Amercian supercar. Vettes are worth the money but that doesn't mean they're affordable. GM desperately need this car to be from $24k to $45k to fill the need and gap. How many Chevy guys are just dieing to get this car and GM can't seem to get it out there fast enough. It's sad really.
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Chevy's base Vette just keeps going up in price, and the ZO6 is fantastic but completely out of most peoples price range as its becoming an Amercian supercar. Vettes are worth the money but that doesn't mean they're affordable. GM desperately need this car to be from $24k to $45k to fill the need and gap. How many Chevy guys are just dieing to get this car and GM can't seem to get it out there fast enough. It's sad really.
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Jason, yeah... but they can't compare it to something as isn't out yet.
And if the 2010 keeps the old engines (tweaked I'm sure)... they could have the lead for the time being...but will probably be heavier. (and pricier)
I posted this on Z28 as a bunch of people think the V6 will have the 300+hp V6, which I HIGHLY doubt.
And if the 2010 keeps the old engines (tweaked I'm sure)... they could have the lead for the time being...but will probably be heavier. (and pricier)
I posted this on Z28 as a bunch of people think the V6 will have the 300+hp V6, which I HIGHLY doubt.
It'll probably be 260hp on 87 octane in the base car
As much as people want a 300hp V6 base car, I don't see it happening.
The base will mimic the mustangs approach and be the volume seller of who want the look of a sports car, with the economy and insurance savings that a V6 has to offer.
Those who want performance will have to look to the V8 400+hp variant.
They are pumping the V6 and rightfully so.
I'd see the V6 being either dropped or I4-T as an option if (big if) the fuel prices skyrocket and the V6 doesn't sell.
It HAS to sell for the car to survive.
I can see the V6 being lighter than the V8 obviously...but overall the car will be heavier than its previous gen and probably even the mustang.
They are overshooting their weight mark and price mark
And yes he's comparing it to the Mustang of current... as he obviously can't comment on something that's not out yet.
As much as people want a 300hp V6 base car, I don't see it happening.
The base will mimic the mustangs approach and be the volume seller of who want the look of a sports car, with the economy and insurance savings that a V6 has to offer.
Those who want performance will have to look to the V8 400+hp variant.
They are pumping the V6 and rightfully so.
I'd see the V6 being either dropped or I4-T as an option if (big if) the fuel prices skyrocket and the V6 doesn't sell.
It HAS to sell for the car to survive.
I can see the V6 being lighter than the V8 obviously...but overall the car will be heavier than its previous gen and probably even the mustang.
They are overshooting their weight mark and price mark
And yes he's comparing it to the Mustang of current... as he obviously can't comment on something that's not out yet.
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Chevy's base Vette just keeps going up in price, and the ZO6 is fantastic but completely out of most peoples price range as its becoming an Amercian supercar. Vettes are worth the money but that doesn't mean they're affordable. GM desperately need this car to be from $24k to $45k to fill the need and gap. How many Chevy guys are just dieing to get this car and GM can't seem to get it out there fast enough. It's sad really.
I really hope that's not the case, for competitions sake.
And it looks like it'll be more expensive.
MUSTANG MUST STAY CHEAPER and AFFORDABLE
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Well, as I've been saying since Day 1, Chevy sees this car as more upscale than the Stang, and god knows there are more upscale performance cars than the Stang that do OK, though whether Chevy can crack that particular market with the Camaro remains to be seen.
Other Camaro tidbits mentioned by Lutz: it will be priced higher than the Mustang, as GM sees the Camaro as a higher-end offering. Specifically, Lutz suggests that the Camaro will feature a much better interior than the 'Stang, along with its inherently better independent rear-suspension arrangement.
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I don't understand Chevy. The model for their car is the Mustang. Let's get all those eclipse, civic, acura drivers into real American cars like when I started driving in the late 80's. Mustangs and Camaros/Firebirds were everywhere. Wouldn't it be great to see the next generation Mustang, the Challenger, and the Camaro roaming the streets together again. Life will be good and like Boomer says for competition's sake I hope it lasts. I know I know oil prices. They just need to offer efficient V6's and a few big V8's for those who will buy the car for the engine and not the mileage.
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I was afraid of this. For those who recall I relayed some of the lower key rumors from the Aussie forums regarding Camaro and Zeta which were debunking the idea that Chevy could profitably position the upcoming Camaro within the Mustang's price range roughly a year ago. The story mostly revolved around GM trying to find a way to get a Zeta based Camaro within the Mustang's price bracket, and even indicated that GM had gone as far as considering a solid axle setup to get there at one point. However accurate the incidentals may be GM would certainly rather price the Camaro on par with the Mustang if they felt that they could do so, so I think we have our answer regarding the validity of the broader implication of these rumors.
This also brings up another issue I've been wondering about....How long will the Zeta based G8 GT's price remain 'below' 30k? The 29,999 price tag hung on that car reminds me a great deal of the teaser 19,999 price tag the Solstice started out with, and that car stickers for closer to 23k now. Don't get me wrong, it was a brilliant strategy since throngs of people still seem to think a base Solstice starts at or below 20k. But that strategy, and the 'premium' pricing of the Camaro, does make me wonder if the 29,999 G8 GT will become a 33,999 G8 GT by 2010.
Back to the Camaro....Since the above indicates a 400hp+ LS3 for the base V8 Camaro I have to wonder, has GM worked their way around the GGT issue which caused them to forego the LS3 in the G8 GT? The Camaro isn't much smaller, and therefore not likely much lighter, than the G8 sedan. And since it seems more than a little unlikely that the Camaro is as aerodynamic as the G8 sedan this makes me wonder if an LS3 Camaro will get hit with a GGT. The G8's super tall final drive ratio means that the Camaro wont be able to go to that well to make up the difference. But, if the V8 camaro is to be a 'premium' priced model in any trim maybe GM feels a GGT wont hurt their cause.
Finally, if we find ourselves with a better styled 400hp Mustang GT which seriously undercuts Camaro V8 pricing by the 2011MY, a reality which seems likely at this point, GM could be in for a world of hurt.
This also brings up another issue I've been wondering about....How long will the Zeta based G8 GT's price remain 'below' 30k? The 29,999 price tag hung on that car reminds me a great deal of the teaser 19,999 price tag the Solstice started out with, and that car stickers for closer to 23k now. Don't get me wrong, it was a brilliant strategy since throngs of people still seem to think a base Solstice starts at or below 20k. But that strategy, and the 'premium' pricing of the Camaro, does make me wonder if the 29,999 G8 GT will become a 33,999 G8 GT by 2010.
Back to the Camaro....Since the above indicates a 400hp+ LS3 for the base V8 Camaro I have to wonder, has GM worked their way around the GGT issue which caused them to forego the LS3 in the G8 GT? The Camaro isn't much smaller, and therefore not likely much lighter, than the G8 sedan. And since it seems more than a little unlikely that the Camaro is as aerodynamic as the G8 sedan this makes me wonder if an LS3 Camaro will get hit with a GGT. The G8's super tall final drive ratio means that the Camaro wont be able to go to that well to make up the difference. But, if the V8 camaro is to be a 'premium' priced model in any trim maybe GM feels a GGT wont hurt their cause.
Finally, if we find ourselves with a better styled 400hp Mustang GT which seriously undercuts Camaro V8 pricing by the 2011MY, a reality which seems likely at this point, GM could be in for a world of hurt.
Last edited by jsaylor; Mar 19, 2008 at 06:54 PM.
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Well, as I've been saying since Day 1, Chevy sees this car as more upscale than the Stang, and god knows there are more upscale performance cars than the Stang that do OK, though whether Chevy can crack that particular market with the Camaro remains to be seen.
Other Camaro tidbits mentioned by Lutz: it will be priced higher than the Mustang, as GM sees the Camaro as a higher-end offering. Specifically, Lutz suggests that the Camaro will feature a much better interior than the 'Stang, along with its inherently better independent rear-suspension arrangement.
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This thread just serves to reinforce how glad I am that Ford is developing their GRWD platform in Dearborn.
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I know the cylinder deactivation is allowing them to claim the higher mpg's in their SUV's and trucks. Real World results are questionable, but its this technology thats allowing them to advertise the most fuel efficient V8 pickups on the market.