LOL

 

Correct. The Camaro is a Zeta II platform which is based from the Zeta platform (Pontiac G8, Holden Statesman/Commodore)

 

If I was GM management wouldn't I be more concerned with making high volume efficient cars so I can pay the billions back? or making niche cars for gearheads that aren't high volume?

IMO GM doesn't have the room to "play" they should really focus on making some money and digging them selves out of the grave.

 

Haha, hilarious.. I thought I was on 4chan for a second..

 

I don't think we should bash Chevy for coming out with a GT500-competitor. It looks almost as bad as the Camaro5 guys who ragged constantly on the 5.0L mustang claiming that those numbers will never come true - and then when they did, finding something else to complain about.

Even if they come out with those numbers, it will still probably underperform against the GT500, due to weight. BUT... even if it doesn't, and it blows our GT500 out of the water - who cares? Are we less manly because Chevy has one-upped the top-trim Mustang that most of us don't even own? Do our Mustang's become less enjoyable to drive, or less nice to look at?

Financial bailout or not - if GM wants to invest their time and money building a GT500-competitor, then let them. Who knows, it may even help them in the long run by bolstering the image of the regular Camaro, by having a Z28 that replaces the GT500 as top dog pony car. And if they sell more Camaros, you, the tax-payers, win. Anyone who is truely making the argument against the Z28 based on "wasting tax dollars" - you guys should hope and pray it smokes the GT500, so that GM can sell a crapload of Camaro's and pay back their loan from the government.

There's no reason to bash GM for trying to come out with a GT500 competitor in this environment.. business is business and if their bean counters think it's a good idea to invest in a GT500 killer, then props to them. Let the pony car battle go on - I sincerely hope they come with a Z28 that performs better than expected. You get your tax dollars returned from GM to the government - and Ford has a reason to make the GT500 into a real monster performer.

Competition makes all of us (the consumers) win.

 

Didn't say it was a bad thing, its just that I personally am not that excited about it since the car basically exists already in CTS-V form

 

I would love to see a camaro with those numbers. Like steve set, competition is good for everyone.

On a side not, I have yet to see a "modified" camaro on the street. Not even exhaust! Everytime I see one its bone stock. Whats the deal with that?

 

how ironic, i saw my first modified camaro today and thought myself it was the first one i've seen

 

Yep so far nothing official has come down the pipe.

I wouldn't be too begrudgen to it or think the GT500 is a slam dunk away from it. The GT500 is no lightweight by any means. And if I am not mistaken the 4 door CTS-V performs against it in just about every aspect quite well. A lighter version of it (CTS-V) should be able to hold it's own. It's not all about max HP, tq and weight. Gearing (the A6 1st gear is brutal) powerband etc all come into play and from what I remember the 6.2 puts out better under the curve numbers than the 4.6 mill. Reguardless of which is ultimately "faster" it would be a driver's race any day with those 2 in a hypothetical match up

Must be the area. Theres plenty out there. Many of the vendors on other sites posted pics of bays full of them getting all manner of mods. Most time you will probably see them at the track as I do with all the local termi's.


WASSUP Jinxy! welcome aboard!

 

I think it';s cool. I also am a member on C5 and 3rd gen. The new Camaro SE and the new Mustang 5.0 are great.

I reallly like my old older cars more lately , 91 RS V8, 07 GT V8 (and 02 BMW E46 body. ) HP comp is fun to watch. I have had many GM vehicles and the Camaro has alot going for it but I am still leaning toward the Mustang 5.0 if I ever did look to a 11.

 

Isn't this the same Cadillac engine that has a bad vibration at a certain RPM, the g.m. engineers can't seem to get rid of ?

 

Holy crap.... Slim. wassup. I havent heard from u since 5thgen.org or Modern Camaro. lol. Never thought I would see you on a stang site.

 

I wonder how an AL-block GT500 will perform against the CTS-V? I bet Ford knows and, thus, they're going to announce this very car later this year.

 

To be fair, a lot of people thought the same thing about the 'Blue Devil' Corvette (myself included), until it actually showed up as the ZR-1.

 

Lol ya been a member here for a minute now. I'm still on 5thgen as well too. Somebody's gotta keep the knuckle draggers in here in check lol.

I'd hope that the sports car would outperform a 4 door sedan in every respect, but ya gotta admit they got the CTS-V right. I however wouldn't put hopes in a what 200 lb weight loss (or equivalent of 20 hp) for just an outright skull dragging. The LSA is quite potent from 2K rpm and up. Drivers races for sure.

True never looked at it like that and for the Z28 it is at least a planned ride rather than a planned concept however I'm still leary. I wish cuz that's what I want but not going to hold my breath on it.

 

Marketing has always been about perception--'new and improved', 'biggest', 'fastest', 'most powerful', etc. I see no reason why GM shouldn't capitalize on the marketing potential of the Z/28 name. (Ford has been pretty successful in trading on the GT500 moniker.)

Having said that, and I may be in the minority, marketing is what the Z/28 would be about--selling the image. The GT500 has impressive performance numbers, but those numbers also come at a premium price. IMO, the Mustang GT offers better value (more bang-for-the-buck) than the GT500 does. I suspect a supercharged 551-HP, Cadillac-powered, Z/28 Camaro would simply be more of the same. It would, no doubt produce some impressive performance numbers, but at a considerable premium (the once unthinkable--a Camaro more expensive than a Corvette). I don't think anyone would be surprised if the 1SS/2SS Camaro, (like the Mustang GT) remained a better bang-for-the-buck deal.

 

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...amaro-z28.html

 

Hmm interesting. Face lift, or model lift. Just adds fuel to the fire. Crossing fingers that this is the equivalent to the "blue devil" of yore but not holding my breath just yet.

Just let me pay off the GTO first GM I really don't want to have to trade it in. . I am not planning on it but it's already hard passing by Chevy dealerships as it is.

 

Looks like the grill has a solid vertical element, perhaps they're trying to throw a little nod to Pontiac into their Camaro.