eric n

I have a buddy with a 99 trans am that I am able to pull from (though not really quickly) we are both running autos his only mod is some exhaust.

I've driven it and the motor feels really strong. What's that they say about cubic inches?

Knight

actually i have beat a 98 SS auto with my 99 GT 5-speed. rare but can happen with sucky drivers

ScottyBoy302

Yea... If youre talking about an LS1 then the driver mustve had his head up his ***. One in a million. Cause for a 99Gt to run with that it needs at least full bolt-ons, 4.30s, and DRs. Its a cold day in hell when stock Sn95 GTs can even come closing to running with an LS1 day to day. But anything can happen on the streets... once.

And about the Z28 vs. SS stuff, theyre the same engine with tiny differences. The Z28 and the SS will dyno within about 5hp of each other, and since the SS is basically a loaded Z, the right Z (no options) will take an SS to the cleaners. And the C5 vette is not too different either. In truth, all Ls1s should dyno somewehre between 300-330rwhp from the showroom floor. So yea... theyre all right around 350bhp stock.

And Willie... not that it matters, but the 02SS is not rated at 310hp. The Z28 is rated at 310, the SS is rated at 330-345 depending on SLP options.

ScottyBoy302

Ya... cost 6k more when it was new... in 1998. Nowadays you can pick one up mint with less than 50k miles easy for about 12 grand.

Gotta defend the camaro here.

theedge67

I've seen multiple reviews of the f-body cars saying they maxed out in stock HP at 320hp. Can you point to a reference such as a car magazine showing more?

mustangfan123

LOL, but I have never heard of any N/A Camaro's running high 11's. Gotta defend the mustang here.

Sincerely,owner of a mustang,the better car.

Knight

there are a ton of 11sec N/A camaros.

mustangfan123

My bad, I don't know much about Camaro's so I wouldn't have known that.

vsop

I know of a bunch of 11 sec N/A F bodies.. They can make some good power with a Cam & Headers. Plus they have the fast intake option.

bob

Tru'dat, SS F4's were pretty much dolled up Z's

official_style

no way a 4.6 is gonna compete with a 5.7 with similar mods. ford just wont give us enough motor. this is why i am going back to bowtie and getting me a black/black SS as soon as one is availible. im not gonna waste money making my care MAYBE as fast as a stock camaro. ford needs to get with it. CUBIC INCHES.

vsop

The s197 is a much better car then the f body. And it can be made faster very easy. The 4.6l motor with a TS blower or Turbo can make crazy power on the cheap. S/C & turbo setups on F bodies are much more work and money

official_style

a worked fbody NA is much cheaper to get setup then a FI s197. and once u got ur powerhouse turbo or kb on ur s197 ur maxed, and the fbody just has bolt ons. this is why as soon as a camaro is availible im back with chevy. unless ford brings us a sick motor or something, but judging by what they do, wont happen. this is coming from a s197 owner.

97svtgoin05gt

Mav put a FRPP whipple on his car and is turning near Shelby 460hp. I'd call that pretty stout for a otherwise bone stock (including cams) 4.6. No arguement that bigger engines produce more power. Why do you think Chevy dropped their 5.0 and went 350? They couldn't compete with their 5.0.

ScottyBoy302

There are a couple LS1 f-bodys that with full bolt-ons, gears, and DRs have hit high 10s. Throw in a cam and it seems like a lot of people have hit 10s, some coming pretty **** close to single digits with almost completely stock internals and no power adders. Throw on some good heads and you could be pushing high 9s in a N/A car.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628613 Bolt-ons

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330 Cam only

Zastava_101

So your point of buying a car is to be faster than SS Camaro?

Zastava_101

My friend have '94 Trans Am automatic. I drove it few times and I didn't like it at all. It looks big from outside, but inside is too small. It does not feel like 275 hp.

mustangfan123

The closest the new mustangs could get to those times N/A is MAYBE mid 11's. Unless we can get the weight down at least 400 to 500 pounds,we don't stand a chance against most of the camaro's on that list, especially the cam only ones.

bob

Project_SS ----- 10.925 @ 121.03 (1.46), 98 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 2920, 10/06 - this ain't a link, some reason I can't cut & past to my post?????

Anyways, I had buddy with a SS and it sported ported heads, cam. torque converter, vette intake, 3.73 rear, full exhuast and it was low 11's on the motor and well into the 10's on nitrous, and this was a full body car.

Notice something about the number one car on that list? Yeah it weighs less than 3000 pounds. Matter of fact the top 30 cars are all lightened up from a bit to a bunch.

Now don't get me wrong, the LSx engines are really nice pieces and definitely prove there is no replacement for displacment, but to just say that an F-bod is a 10 second car with just bolt ons isn't really painting a true picture. That be like saying my 91 LX is a 10 second car with just heads, stroker kit, intake, cam, and exhaust. Nevermind it weighs about 2800 to 2900 lbs (tubular k-member, no a/c -p/s - p/b, fiberglass hood, fiberglass hatch/ lexan hatch window, kirky drag seats, rear seat delete), aluminum struts/shocks, big & skinny convo pros, ect, ect, ect)

ScottyBoy302

Thats true, the top cars on those lists have had some weight reduction. On the cam only list 6/10 weigh near or more than 3200lbs, so these are pretty much normal. 5/10 of the top bolt-on cars are near or over 3200lbs. So yes, a lot of those cars have done weight reduction, but some of them haven't, and thats the point that I was trying to make, that they can be made very fast very easily and that there are plenty of 10sec NA f-bodys. Sorry if anyone got confused.