2005-2009 Mustang Information on The S197 {Gen1}

Worth waiting for the special variants?

Old May 11, 2004 | 07:21 AM
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I'm hoping the SE will be the BOSS with a 5.0 in it (hence BOSS 302) with at least a 350/350 HP/TQ rating. IRS will be awesome too. I like the Mach 1's but it's time to bring back the BOSS....am I right folks?!
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Old May 11, 2004 | 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Rakshas@May. 10th, 2004, 9:47 PM
The 05 GT itself (which doesn't have IRS) should be able to handle awesome, so the new Boss, or Cobra, will be able to handle amazingly.
Good, very true



Remember, this platform was designed for IRS. SO the variants will have amazing handling.
Still good.



I expect handling superior to Porsche Carrera and M3...
Woah there! I'm sure the new cobra and subsequent variants will be greta corner carvers. But to expect that a mustang is going to outhandle BMW's premier sports coupe with 50/50 weight distro. Fully integrated IRs and every trick in BMw's bag, not to mention a mid engine prosche? I think were going a bit too far.
The next SVT stang will have virtually the exact same proportions and suspension design as an M3. Only the stang will have real horsepower.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by hippy@May. 10th, 2004, 11:34 PM
Porsches, (excluding the boxster) are rear, not mid, engined. Whether or not they will continue to be is questionable. I think porsche has reached the limits, or is close, to what they can do with a flat 6 rear engine car.
Well the new 997 will remain a flat 6. I believe they are cranking the motor up to 350 in the standard Carrera. The next GT3 will probably top 400. Obviously Turbo Versions will go up from there.

If the SE is still almost 2 years away, that sucks.
At least that. Cobra will debut about 2 years from now, according to SVT. Expect some special editions to follow later in the decade.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by kevinb120@May. 11th, 2004, 8:33 AM
The next SVT stang will have virtually the exact same proportions and suspension design as an M3. Only the stang will have real horsepower.
It is known that they are targetting the current E46 M3, and I expect they'll probably come real close. What is unknown is how well they will do against the upcoming V8 powered E90-E94 M3/M4 that should arrive on the market within a year or so of the Cobra.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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997 unveiled

911 Carrera: 3.6 liters, 325hp, 0-100km/h: 5s, Vmax: 285km/h, 18" wheels, 75,200€
911 Carrera S: 3.8 liters, 355hp, 0-100km/h: 4.8s, Vmax: 293km/h, 19" wheels, 85,176€

both with 6-speed manual transmission, Carrera S has adjustable suspension (optional on Carrera)





sorry for off-topic
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Old May 11, 2004 | 10:06 AM
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Thanks for advice and info all, but another thing to take into consideration in my case is that I'll most likely only have the car for 2 years before leaving for new york probably in late 06'. Won't have the car for like 4 years after taht =/ and then when I do move back will probably be able to trade in the 05' GT and get whatever variant or Cobra is out at the time. If they were out by april it'd work out perfectly but still thats another 6 months out fo 2 years I wouldnt have the car.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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Go ahead and buy the 05 GT now and drive it for 2 years and when the time comes for the Cobra get it. Thats is what I plan to do because I am not going to wait for 2 more years for my Stang, I have waited long enough already. I am wondering how much it'll depreciate in those 2 years?? Anyway I'll be enjoying it rather then waiting and wondering. You should invest those extra bucks in the stock market or if you are a chicken put it in the bank.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Wombert@May. 11th, 2004, 9:03 AM
997 unveiled

911 Carrera: 3.6 liters, 325hp, 0-100km/h: 5s, Vmax: 285km/h, 18" wheels, 75,200€
911 Carrera S: 3.8 liters, 355hp, 0-100km/h: 4.8s, Vmax: 293km/h, 19" wheels, 85,176€

both with 6-speed manual transmission, Carrera S has adjustable suspension (optional on Carrera)

sorry for off-topic
I give it a 6/10

Not too bad, but I like the mustang design better. :usa:
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Old May 11, 2004 | 03:19 PM
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I can see porsche releasing another front or mid engined car that will have either their v10 or some larger displacement engine than their current 6 in a few years if not sooner. There is too much pressure from everyone else in that segment to be happy with a 325hp flat 6. People will still buy it because it is a Porsche, but Porsche is going to need more than the diehards to keep being Porsche, hence that atrocious Cayenne.

Back to the mustang, I guess I have more time to find a job and save up. Of course, it also means I will have a lot more options to choose from when I am ready to buy. I don't understand the logic, unless they are hoping to sell more gt's and hope people will trade them in when the SE comes out. I don't see how that's worth it, as that idea sounds retarded to me from a financial perspective. Who would buy a car that will depreciate a few thousand after you drive it off the lot, then get screwed on trade in for the new SE 2 years later? Maybe Jag will finally build that F-type.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStallion2K@May. 11th, 2004, 7:24 AM
I'm hoping the SE will be the BOSS with a 5.0 in it (hence BOSS 302) with at least a 350/350 HP/TQ rating. IRS will be awesome too. I like the Mach 1's but it's time to bring back the BOSS....am I right folks?!
I couldn't agree more! It's definately time to bring the BOSS back!
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Old May 11, 2004 | 03:30 PM
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v10 would have very bad fuel economy... Porsches are about engineering qualities, getting the best out of the engine, not just about adding 2 or 4 cylinders
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Old May 12, 2004 | 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by infiniteengine@May. 11th, 2004, 10:09 AM
Thanks for advice and info all, but another thing to take into consideration in my case is that I'll most likely only have the car for 2 years before leaving for new york probably in late 06'. Won't have the car for like 4 years after taht =/ and then when I do move back will probably be able to trade in the 05' GT and get whatever variant or Cobra is out at the time. If they were out by april it'd work out perfectly but still thats another 6 months out fo 2 years I wouldnt have the car.
If you won't be using it, why not sell the car when you leave for new york and get higher resale?
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Old May 12, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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I think alot of u are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Besides the $40,000 07 Cobra, I just dont see any other SEs being built this decade. You heard it here first. Doesnt hurt to dream though.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Castle@May. 12th, 2004, 11:05 AM
I think alot of u are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Besides the $40,000 07 Cobra, I just dont see any other SEs being built this decade. You heard it here first. Doesnt hurt to dream though.
No one has released pricing on the car, and it could be anywhere from the current price to an upward of 60K. As for the SE, Ford has said we will see them sooner with this model. I'd bet anything on a late 2006 release for one. I can't see Ford letting potential sales in the Mid 30K market go to cars like the GTO for more than a year or so.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 11:57 AM
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Ya, $40,000 is just my guess at what I think its gonna cost. Does anyone have anykind of confirmation that Ford is absolutely positively making SE's besides the Cobra? I need PROOF. lol The only thing I've read is the article stating the 2007 Cobra is the FIRST SE being built based on the new platform.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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A guy driving a test mule told me there was going to be alot of exciting things to come and told me we would all have some nice choices in the future. He told me this in the fall so the special cars are coming i believe sooner than later.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by kevinb120+May. 11th, 2004, 7:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kevinb120 @ May. 11th, 2004, 7:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rakshas@May. 10th, 2004, 9:47 PM
The 05 GT itself (which doesn't have IRS) should be able to handle awesome, so the new Boss, or Cobra, will be able to handle amazingly.
Good, very true



Remember, this platform was designed for IRS. SO the variants will have amazing handling.
Still good.



I expect handling superior to Porsche Carrera and M3...
Woah there! I'm sure the new cobra and subsequent variants will be greta corner carvers. But to expect that a mustang is going to outhandle BMW's premier sports coupe with 50/50 weight distro. Fully integrated IRs and every trick in BMw's bag, not to mention a mid engine prosche? I think were going a bit too far.
The next SVT stang will have virtually the exact same proportions and suspension design as an M3. Only the stang will have real horsepower. [/b][/quote]
Until I see them on a road course the M3 is number one in my book.

Course if we want to go all out sposrts there is always the upcoming M6.

New BMW Line

1 series
2 Series
M2
3 series
M3(4 door sport sedan)
4 Series
M4(same philosophy as current M3)
5 series
M5(v10 )
6 series
M6 :worship:
7 series
Z4
X3
X5

Its a good time to love bimmers.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Castle@May. 12th, 2004, 2:00 PM
Ya, $40,000 is just my guess at what I think its gonna cost. Does anyone have anykind of confirmation that Ford is absolutely positively making SE's besides the Cobra? I need PROOF. lol The only thing I've read is the article stating the 2007 Cobra is the FIRST SE being built based on the new platform.
I've been singing the same song for a year. Sounds like no SE, till after the Cobra but no hard proof outta ford. :bang: I've practically given up on any SE before the Cobra though.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 04:51 AM
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if u look on motortrend.com they have the 2006 projection list and it lists a new stang.. i thing it was the svt
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Old May 13, 2004 | 05:17 AM
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People, I can't stress this enough, it's time to revive the Musclecar era once again. Ford has always been awesome at having a variety of performance in the Mustang. If the guys at Ford are listening, make different variants....the consumers will buy them.
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