The only company i know of that gets their own gas is chevron because they have some dedicated pipelines, which means it goes from their refinery, to their filling station (for the trucks) then to the retail stations. Was on the same show. And it was on the discovery channel.

EDIT (add) Gettin the oil from there isnt all bad (just mostly) its better than paying $4.50 a gallon.

 

Thanks for all the tips guys (even though its been discussed before)---SHELL it is!

Top Tier, and they try to screw the Middle East---

 

That's correct. The Shell brand name is owned by Royal Dutch Shell. They're the second largest petrochemical company in the world.

 

Well, belive it or not, until someone shows me records or proof otherwise, I will go by the US Gov't records Here.

Shell will be my 1st choice, even if I have to pay a few cents more per gallon since the records show they do not purchase oil from the Persian Gulf. I'll do all I can Not to support/contribute to those sand @*##*% over there and they can shove their oil up their a**. Just a matter of principle to me.

 

Hey Guys, I just have to weigh in on this one!
I used to work for OMC (outboard marine corp.) who in 1992 had an independent labratory do a study on gasoline. The study consisted of them taking 6 200 HP. V6 Outboards 2 of each brand (evirude,yamaha and mariner) And putting them in a test tank. One of each of the brands was run with 87 octane gas and the other of each brand was run with 92 octane all with the manufacturers recommended two stroke oil. They were run with test props @ wide open throttle until they blew up! All three engines that ran the 92 octane gas ran @ least TWICE as long as the engines on 87 octane! Did'nt matter what brand engine, the difference was in the gasoline! They concluded that the 87 octane was not nearly as refined with nearly three times the contaminants as the 92 octane! Ever since then then I've run nothing but the highest octane I can get in everything I own. On a side note I recently had my 2001 F150 supercrew in for it's 80,000 mile service @ my local ford dealer and they suggested that with the mileage I should have the fuel system cleaned. Well I said ok and when I went to pick it up they said that it was'nt necessary, said they could'nt believe that the tops of the pistons and injectors were so clean! Said I must have had this done recently. I said nope just 4 years of amoco 93 octane and valvoline synpower fuel system cleaner twice a year! So when people say gas is gas. It's not!

 

Well, I guess it may or may not be silly, but I started with 89 in my car, and now I don't know if it would be wise to go to 87. I use Chevron in my car --- BTW.
Anyone have any knowledge about downgrading your fuel (89 to 87) My car has just over 15,000 miles on it now.

 

When I had my POS 92 LX Mustang, I put 89 in all the time, but then switched to 87 for a couple of tanks. I noticed a difference right away. I switched back.

This car (05 V6) has had nothing but 89 in it since its first tank--my dealer gave it to me on empty so I filled it.

A honda tech in Florida told me never to buy gas when I see the station's tanks being refilled. He said when they fill the tanks, all the crud on the bottom gets moving and some goes in the cars.

He also said to try to avoid getting gas after a big rain. He said that's one way people get water in their tanks. Of course, he said, if they are filling the station's tanks during downpours, go somewhere else for a few weeks.

Because of the hesitation I feel in my V6, I'm going to try 92 and see if that makes any difference, but I can't see going down to 87 ever. It just doesn't seem worth it.

 

Thanks Lorrie, I thought there would be a noticeable difference in my car's performance if I went to 87 after having 89 all this time. I think I will stay with what I have been doing...

 

Isn't 89 octane just mixed at the pump when you fill? I believe it stinks in both 87 and 92 to give you a 89 mix.

FYI, my last car had 167,000 miles on it, still going strong when I sold it and I never used anything but the cheapest gas I could fine (87). Regular oil changes and maintenance.

 

I never knew about the additives part of gasoline, thanks Mark for that education. However as far as octane and using a higher/lower grade than what the vehicle manufacturer calls for I thought that had to do with compression ratios.

For example, a car that calls for 91 or higher octane has a higher compression ratio in it's engine. Lower grade fuels have a lower threshold for combustability therefore, as the piston travels up within the cylinder compressing the fuel/air mixture, the use of a lower grade fuel will result in the fuel/air mixture to ignite as a result from the pressure of being compressed rather than from when the piston reaches it's zenith and the spark plug ignites the mixture which forces the piston back down. Thus, that's the knock, the pre-mature ignition and kncock sensors sense this and thus retard the ignition timing. So I can see how it would be beneficial to not use a lower grade when a higher grade is called for but what's the benefit for the reverse? Using higher than 87 when the engine call for 87 (speaking of a stock set-up). Is it from the additives?

 

I don't know how many of these octane threads we're going to have, but I'm going to reply to everyone of them.

The knock sensor is doing all the work in the engine for your choice of gasoline. You put in 87, the sensor does it's job and retards timing. you put in 89, it just doesn't retard so much. You put in 91 it just doesn't retard as much. 93? probably not any retard at all.

This was covered in either MM&FF or 5.0 mustang magazine. I posted it in a different thread a few weeks/month ago.

So, as far as BRANDS go, I dunno, but as far as OCTANE goes, if you put in 93 octane, you're gonna get a performance boost, from the STANDARD, FACTORY tune. No retune needed.

Want to put in 93 for friday night and 87 during the week? No problem, the computer is constantly looking for knock and adjusts accordingly.

Thanks for listening

 

This is straight from the Chevron Pipeline Company web page:

It sounds to me like Chevron gas isn't the only gas in the pipe so theirs no guarantee that it's Chevron gas at the station (other than the additives of course).

 

Read this article.

Here's a quote:

It sounds to me like they're in bed with Saudi Arabia since they co-own Motiva with them!

Sorry I had to bust your bubble dude!

 

You didn't bust my bubble. Great find ! Thank You for the update, I appreciate it. I'm just a middle aged American guy trying to do the right thing, at least by my principles. I just hate supporting or contributing to folks or places that hate the US, etc.

Based on the article you found, looks like Shell did pretty good up until October. The gov records I've been going by didn't reflect that information. There are no Sunoco stations in my area. We did have a Conoco up the street until a few weeks ago when it changed to Citgo. I'll find the next closest Conoco station, their a Top Tier rated gasoline also.

Again, Thanks for the updated information !!

 

Yes, THANK YOU TOM for the updated info about Shell! Greatly appreciated! And Thanks to everyone else for their advice. My Blue Heaven, I'll try 93 next go around and Tom, I'll look for a Chevron.

 

[quote=mlcrisis,August 3, 2005, 6:55 AM]
Well, belive it or not, until someone shows me records or proof otherwise, I will go by the US Gov't records Here.

Man what are you smoking. Anyone that believes anything the government says is smoking something. You run whatever gas trips your trigger. As long as I am in front of you I could not care less.

 

Ford recommends 87 octane for 05 Mustangs. Page 214 in the Owners' Guide.