05mustangman

man, maybe i should just keep my mouth shut from now on. everything i say seems to be criticized. i just dont understand why people have to try to feel more superior than others.


plus the prices of ALL vehicles will go up so of course the mustang price tag will. but you never know, maybe the higher price tag will include a motor upgrade? we can only have an optimistic view on the future of the pony car.

GTJOHN

I certainly know that Ford, along with GM & Chrysler are struggling. I work in the Automotive Industry, and we are hurting as well.
Although we are still doing parts for the Big 3, we have been directly effected by them choosing to move product to China.
We are Tier 2, sometimes a Tier 3. So, we are a victim of our customers relationship with the Big 3.

Although I am sounding very negative, I am a Ford & Mustang loyalist. My Dad retired from Ford after 32 years. I also have friends and relatives that either still work for Ford or have recently retired.

Ford has done some stupid things, and I constantly question their strategy. That is, if they truly have one.
Its amazing that after 100+ years of making trucks & automobiles, that they need help from an "Outsider" to turn their company around?

If I were Bill Ford, the first thing I would of done is fired all those "over-priced" upper-manager types, starting with that **** Mark Fields.
Man, that guy makes me sick. The propaganda B.S. that comes out of that guys mouth reminds me of some Hitler Youth Program I saw on the History Channel.

Obviously, I don't run Ford Mo.Co, but there are things that just don't add up. Yes, material prices are going up. But, its the Suppliers that are getting hit the hardest not the Big 3. Yes, Health Insurance & Workers Comp are very high. But, the Big 3 have downsized significantly over the years laying off thousands of workers and closing many factory's. Yet, they are selling just as much or more vehicles then they ever had - with fewer employees. Add in all the tax breaks, and Ford, GM & Chrysler should be making some kind of profit.

GottaHaveIt

2. the mustang hood scoop is stupid. its bolt on and non working, put on the mach 1 from the factory it looks so much better and it accually does somthing
I'll let you know tomorrow as they have had the parts ( dealer )since April 24 and only tomorrow will they then attempt to replace the scoop, btw they ordered a scoop/scoop kit/ hood liner. to me a waste of money had they just scribed the scoop flush and fit correct, but keep in mind all someone behind a desk thought of this non-functional scoop long before they built it yup it looked great and all but now we suffer take time away from our day to deal with it ! grrr

XR7GTVIII

I agree.........

1987 -- $13,052
1997 -- $18,525 -- 42% increase in ten years
2007 -- $26,805 -- 44% increase in ten years
2017 -- assuming a 43% increase = $38,331

The 2007 is for a Premium GT. The 97 didn't include as standard equipment:

Speed Control
Keyless Entry
Rear Window Defroster
Leather Seat
Power Seat
6 CD Player

I'm sure there's quite a few other items that are standard on the 07 that were optional on the 97. The 07 seems like a decent price to me.

Also.........a 42% increase in ten years is equal to an average inflation of 3.5% per year, which is pretty close to the actual rate.

GTJOHN

It has to run its cycle, but eventually the prices will fall or maintain. Small fuel efficient cars are the next big thing with increasing gas prices. Toyota has a jump on everybody, and its been reported that both Ford & GM are going to be introducing several new small cars to compete. That could be the smartest thing Ford & GM has done in years. Actually, its something they should of been developing 10 years ago. Now the market is demanding "sharp" good looking, affordable automobiles, and I think both Ford & GM will succeed at it.

I am old school, and I will always want a V8 Mustang to cruise on the weekends, but I will admit, that I am excited about the new designs and the evolution of the 4 Banger engine and especially the V6. We could end up seeing some pretty cool high performance little cars.

GTJOHN

I see everything going up but peoples wages!

But.... that's another topic.

LBJay

Nor 300HP! (215 hp for 1996-97)

davisinla

That sounds like something my mother would say.

If you're not making significantly more than you did ten years ago, I would wonder why.

Bullitt995

Type like that and people will be much more friendly.

LBJay

A 1997 Cobra Coupe was $25,335 305HP & 300 lbs/ft torque
A 2007 GT Premium is $27,620 300HP and 320 lbs/ft torque

So comparing apples to apples (HP wise) the price has only gone up about $2,300 in 10 years. (Much less if you skip the frills and buy a Deluxe)

Like I said, I think I got a deal.

281GT

To the original poster...

Oh goody. More *****ing and moaning. If you like other cars so much just go buy one and leave us alone. You also need to go back to school so that you can at least create an inteligent argument or at the very least spell your mindless ramblings properly.

Hollywood_North GT

Ummmm...

"u guys" instead of "you guys"? That's not tired, that's plum lazy.

GTJOHN

I don't think we need to explore the topic of the National Average Income, Poverty Rate or Unemployment Rate.
Nor do I think we need to touch on Credit Card Debt, Foreclosures & Repossessions.

Is there anything else I am forgetting? Oh, yes! High Gas Prices and the War in Iraq.

No, you guys are right. I am over looking all these crazy new options placed in these cars nowadays. I am still living in 2005.
But, when I see a non-Special Edition Mustang at or above $30k, a Red Flag pops up in my head.

Luckily for me, my wife & I make pretty good money. Its not always about the price of the car, but the "value" of the car.
Sure glad I get the A/Z Plan!!

GTJOHN

Is the value there when comparing a 1987 Mustang GT 225HP @ $13k to a 2007 Mustang GT 300HP, $26K-$30K?
Only a 75HP increase over 20 years.

I am just playing Devils advocate.

Vermillion06

But your getting more than just more horsepower. The chassis is stiffer and quieter, you get 17 or 18 inch wheels instead of 16's , dual airbags, side airbags, bigger brakes,abs, better suspension design,traction control, better styling, etc...

GTJOHN

Yes, but wasn't the 87 GT technically advanced and upgraded for its time as well? I think so.
Compare an 87 GT to a 77 or even a 67, and its night and day. The 87 had much better comfort, safety features, handling, etc.
It may of not had the charm of a 67 or the H.P., but it was still fast with the 225hp 5.0.

Vermillion06

That's true, each car you mentioned is an improvement over the previous, but they all cost more than the previous as well

'67 fastback............ $2,692
'77 mach 1 hatchback..... $4,332
'87 hatchback................ $13,052

225 hp was pretty good for the late 80's... the average 4 cylinder cars had less than 100 hp in those days...

05fordgt

John, the Mutang up to 2004 used the same chassis that was used in the late 70's! That chassis was over 25 years old. You can't do that in car business nowadays. The 2005 Mustang was THE 1ST Mustang to have it own chassis, as in the past all Mustangs used someone else's platform (64.5 was a Falcon, etc). I still don't know what your aiming for here. So a GT Mustang loaded with options is close to $30,000. Its still a bargin for what you get.

GTJOHN

No need to beat a dead horse. I'll get off my soap box.

05fordgt

YAY!!! Just kidding John .