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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Boomer@November 16, 2005, 8:47 AM
Spend half of it on mods only....

You'll need the other half for repairs if you want to drive it like you stole it...
There is no proof of this statement about repairs.. Why Boomer makes such a comment is unknown to me..

With a $3500 dollar S/C, this gets you to 350HP, or 300HP at the wheels.. There are no issues at this power level.. Upgrade the rear-end for another $500, this is $4000...

So Boomer's comment is based on speculation.. I am being totally honest.. Boomer is feeding the rumor mill.. LOL! I have no idea why..

But as you can see, for me adding an addtional $4000 will take me to $27800.. More than $25800... This is what I mean.. If the GT can be had out the door for $25800, you would be totally foolish not to get it..

However if you get a V6, you still have a good car, it will just take longer to get back to 300HP..
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 09:54 AM
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Okay, back to topic.

My advice is this, if you can afford the extra 4K, go the V8. if you're younger, you'll be happy with the 6, and it'll probably be your best bet as well as far as insurance goes.
Actually, if everyone looks at the first post, Jps78 inquired about purchasing procedures. Specifically, when he makes his payments. The thread was then taken off topic by someone telling Jps78 to get a GT instead of congratulating him on getting a mustang.
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Blue Meenie@November 16, 2005, 8:57 AM
Actually, if everyone looks at the first post, Jps78 inquired about purchasing procedures. Specifically, when he makes his payments. The thread was then taken off topic by someone telling Jps78 to get a GT instead of congratulating him on getting a mustang.

It happens all the time.. We are used to it.. I still say, with the utmost of confidence, that memebers here with GT's who paid $25800 out the door, made a darn good decision... Alot of us were not fortunate enough to be in that situation..

There is pride in owning a V6, it must be captured.. But pound for pound, @ $25800 out the door, there is not many cars in the world which are a better value than a GT..

The question can be posed like this... Should dealers offer V6 Mustangs with Superchargers, for somewhere around $25800 out the door? This gives you 300RWHP, but allows you to make all other upgrades on your own.. Now if you had a choice, what would you buy? The GT, or a V6 with 300RWHP?

There are other personal factors to take into account.. Insurance being one of them..
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:13 AM
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I was looking for an 8 when I bought my 6 as well. Problem was in my area, they wanted 32K for the GT and that was before I was out the door. My last stang was a 93 5.0, so when I drove the 6 I was shocked. I also drove the GT, and yes, the difference is very noticable.

I got out the door for my 6 at 23.5k, which is really good considering I got leather, sports appearance package and interior upgrade package.

I love all stangs, so at the end of the day it didn't matter if it was a 6 or 8, as long as it had plenty of power. Both are fun cars, my next stang will be a V8, but it will be in a restored 1969 or 1970 Mach I (i gave up on the 67, ever since gone in 60 seconds came out, they have been too expensive or hard to come by).

So either way I am sure you will love the car.


Oh, and insurance was another huge factor, would have been more than $100 more a month for the GT. Doh!!!
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:23 AM
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The problem with this converstation is GT owners somehow want to place the context between both cars, based on their individual situation.. They bought their cars after us, and they were able to get them @ $25800.... Knowing this, coupled to their own personal experience, they try and turn the debate.. They dont care if a V6 owner faced different circumstances based on availability and pricing of GT's..

They want to muddy the waters and make it sound as if V6 owners actually think the V6 is a better value..

This is not the case, thus the debate rages on.. Muddy the waters to dilute the overall real world circumstances at the time of purchase.. This is why GT and V6 owner debates rage.. V6 owners argue based on real world circumstances at the time of purchase, while GT owners who got good deals argue from a standpoint of Stock performance based on out the door price.. This leaves us all confused and bewildered...

Hopefully, people can see through the smoke screens put up.. I doubt it.. The debate will always focus on low priced GT's compared to regular priced V6's.. This makes a V6 owner look foolish and confused.. they got us by the ***** basically..

My point is that a V6 is a worthy car to own.. No GT owner wants to admit that a V6 with a 300RWHP, $3500 dollar S/C is a better value if it can be done for about $25800.. GT owners who were out the door around $25800 will always win the debate.. Forsaking the V6 owners real world and current availability pricing situation..
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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I was out the door at $20,345
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Jps78@November 15, 2005, 11:20 PM
Hey all I'm new to the forum but I've been fan of the site for awhile now. Anyways I,m starting out the process of buying my first ever Stang I'm going with a Black w/silver racing stripes 06 V6 w/Pony Package (of course) Mods I have planed are Dual Exhaust either a Magnaflow or GT take off, CAI, rear gears, even more beefer supension, and hotter plugs and plug wires. And just a couple apperances mods but anyway I do have very very very stuipd ? to ask again this is my first new car so win I place my order at the dealership I would assume that even though I wont be getting my ride for atleast 4 weeks I still have to pay for it then and not when Imactually picking it up just curious about that I'm trying to save up for a good down payment and I would like to know what kinda of time frame I'm looking at plus the dealership I'm ordering it at has a promo goin on right know free tires for as long as you own the car. So if anyone can give the info that would be cool
Yes I quoted this just to get back on the actual TOPIC.

Most dealers will ask for a small deposit when you order the car. The balance is not due until delivery. If you finance it, your 1st payment is usually due 30-45 days from when you take delivery.

If you have more questions, check the sticky under Ask A Salesperson , Car Buying 101. There is a lot of info especially for 1st time buyers.
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Blue Meenie@November 16, 2005, 9:38 AM
I was out the door at $20,345

Now you my friend could add a $4K turbo setup and be @ 400RWHP.. You would be banned from all Mustang sites, because you could claim 400RWHP for $24K... See what I mean.. Everyone has a different set of circumstances.. Yours happens to be especiallay unique and bountyfull..

Good Job!!
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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YES YES, I was very fortunate and thankful to get such a great price from my dealership. They never had a GT on the lot for more than 1 day and they were extremely overpriced. Currently, they won't sell anymore 05 GT's, they will only take orders for 06 GTs.
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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Uhhhhhhh no.... my comments are based on the fact that, as SOON as you DO those mods, you void your warranty..

They are not factory parts, or warrantied by Ford, therefore if anything happens with regards to reliabilty, you are held liable.

You can also speculate that your car will hold those numbers...you're guessing too.

I am the kinda person that likes the safety net of having a warranty (if for only 3 years at least)

I'm not feeding a rumour mill....
I'm just stating fact.

Each car is made for a reason.
The V6 is the cheaper alternative for an attractive/quick sports car.
The V8 is the faster alternative for an attractive/quicker sports car.
The Cobra/GT500 is the even FASTER alternative for an attractive/quicker sports car.....
I'm just calling a spade a spade...
I love them all, but you really are treating the 4.0 like its the V6 answer to the LS1 (the engine that god himself built.... :crazy: )

You have to be happy with what you purchased.
Not once did I ever regret the purchase...it suited its purpose for that time in my life...
But get serious, VERY few people will go out and spend that kinda money on a car with plans to mod it to those levels ...
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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What mods???
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Blue Meenie@November 16, 2005, 6:57 PM
Actually, if everyone looks at the first post, Jps78 inquired about purchasing procedures. Specifically, when he makes his payments. The thread was then taken off topic by someone telling Jps78 to get a GT instead of congratulating him on getting a mustang.
Hey ! I resemble that remark

I provided input to his question, then I gave a "IMHO" note.

Think how boring these threads would be, if it was just a plain Question/Answer forum. I love reading the little "Side-bar spinoffs" in peoples responses.

Ain't America great ! :flag2:
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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Say like a turbo, super etc..
The big ones that will bring the 4.0 up to the levels that MSP is talking about.

The big boy mods basically...
then again, every dealership is different...
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by MSP@November 16, 2005, 11:52 AM
There is no proof of this statement about repairs.. Why Boomer makes such a comment is unknown to me..

With a $3500 dollar S/C, this gets you to 350HP, or 300HP at the wheels.. There are no issues at this power level.. Upgrade the rear-end for another $500, this is $4000...

So Boomer's comment is based on speculation.. I am being totally honest.. Boomer is feeding the rumor mill.. LOL! I have no idea why..

But as you can see, for me adding an addtional $4000 will take me to $27800.. More than $25800... This is what I mean.. If the GT can be had out the door for $25800, you would be totally foolish not to get it..

However if you get a V6, you still have a good car, it will just take longer to get back to 300HP..
Maybe Boomer said this because you have no proof the car won't go boom without building it up. Like I said before, you keep basing ALL of this one on one persons experienece three weeks ago on runs at the track. Not daily driving.

The 4.0L has been around a long while (it was in my wifes 98 explorer, and is in her 03 Explorer as well). You should be able to find SOMEONE that has added a s/c or turbo to this car and gotten 300RWHP in some vehicle. I bet if you do, you'll fin out they did more then bolt on a S/C to make sure the thing didn't explode everywhere.

No one has said the 4.0L isn't a decent engine. People don't say "get a GT" because they hate a V6. It's just that a majority of people who want performance will be happier in the long run.

Show me the proof the car won't explode and send metal flying everywhere, dumping coolant, and generally becoming a big pile of junk under the hood, then maybe we'll listen.

I've driven both a 6 and 8 in the current models. And yes, people were being gouged to begin with on the GT. But, in the long run, if you plan to keep it and want to mod it, 95% of the people will be happier with a GT.

The fact is, you've changed your story drastically.

First, you said you drove a 6 and an 8. You were going to get the 8, changed your mind when you heard the six WITH AFTER MARKET EXHAUST. Now, you basically say you couldn't afford it.

The difference between a coupe and the GT is a little more then just an engine. It's a whole slew of things.

To get the car to the same level of performance as a GT, you'll be spending more then you think. It's not just bolting on a S/C or a "$3K" Turbo (haha). it's all sorts of things you haven't even begun to mention.

If anyone is guilty of trying to sway anyone's opinion with a cart load of dung, I think we have a candidate. It sure isn't Boomer.

Like I said, as soon as you MOD YOUR CAR and have driven it six months, then we'll have something to discuss. *In a different thread.*

Seriously, this is enough.

It needs to get back to topic.
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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Amen
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:10 PM
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walk out the door with my gt.fully loaded..for 27k....

left a 500 dollar deposit..when car came in took care of the rest of the paper work...
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by JeffreyDJ@November 16, 2005, 10:33 AM
Maybe Boomer said this because you have no proof the car won't go boom without building it up. Like I said before, you keep basing ALL of this one on one persons experienece three weeks ago on runs at the track. Not daily driving.

The 4.0L has been around a long while (it was in my wifes 98 explorer, and is in her 03 Explorer as well). You should be able to find SOMEONE that has added a s/c or turbo to this car and gotten 300RWHP in some vehicle. I bet if you do, you'll fin out they did more then bolt on a S/C to make sure the thing didn't explode everywhere.

No one has said the 4.0L isn't a decent engine. People don't say "get a GT" because they hate a V6. It's just that a majority of people who want performance will be happier in the long run.

Show me the proof the car won't explode and send metal flying everywhere, dumping coolant, and generally becoming a big pile of junk under the hood, then maybe we'll listen.

I've driven both a 6 and 8 in the current models. And yes, people were being gouged to begin with on the GT. But, in the long run, if you plan to keep it and want to mod it, 95% of the people will be happier with a GT.

The fact is, you've changed your story drastically.

First, you said you drove a 6 and an 8. You were going to get the 8, changed your mind when you heard the six WITH AFTER MARKET EXHAUST. Now, you basically say you couldn't afford it.

The difference between a coupe and the GT is a little more then just an engine. It's a whole slew of things.

To get the car to the same level of performance as a GT, you'll be spending more then you think. It's not just bolting on a S/C or a "$3K" Turbo (haha). it's all sorts of things you haven't even begun to mention.

If anyone is guilty of trying to sway anyone's opinion with a cart load of dung, I think we have a candidate. It sure isn't Boomer.

Like I said, as soon as you MOD YOUR CAR and have driven it six months, then we'll have something to discuss. *In a different thread.*

Seriously, this is enough.

It needs to get back to topic.

WOW!!! Not the mod I expected to have this view.. But oh well..

We will see who can afford what when the GT500 comes out Jefferey! Until then I will stop defending the worthless V6 Mustangs.. Lets just all be patient, and friendly, then once the GT500's are released, and they are being sold for the approriate price, we can then pick up on this discussion.. I hope the servers dont crash, so I can ressurect this thread, once I have the GT500 in my driveway..
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:24 PM
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IMHO - Recommend everyone "Re-thinks" the GT and V6 decision. Wait a year and go with the Shelby Cobra GT500, pay the extra $$$, or else you might be disappointed later down the road.
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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Why is there such strict policy of staying on topic? We have a group of avid Mustang fans having an online discussion about the merits of two Mustang versions on a Mustang forum. No one is flaming another and the original topic is still being addressed so I personally don't see why we can't continue as we have been.

That said, I placed a $500 deposit with my dealer and waited 8 weeks to the day for my GT. I would imagine that if you insist on ordering a V6, as opposed to taking one off the lot, delivery would still take just as long as ordering a GT from the same dealer. Subject to material holds and such. The V6 would probably not be subject to allocation issues too. Good luck with your order and look forward to giving you nanners after you pick yours up. You'll only be getting 6 nanners of course instead of 8.
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Nah, I'm happy with my entry level V8.
I know what it can do, what its capable of, what can be done to it safely without worry, and without breaking the bank.

I'm not going to claim to have enough juice to run a stock GT500 let alone a modded one....



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